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  1. Punj Lizard
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    Hello folks,
    I'm a new member here. I only recently found out about Motorpsycho. A couple of friends had mentioned them a few times, but it wasn't until a few weeks ago that I actually listened to any - Phanerothyme and Behind The Sun (on recommendation from one of those friends). On the the strength of those same friends' recommendation I also bought a ticket to go see MP in London next month. And having listened to those two albums, I had to get the wallet out and buy those two and a bunch more. So within two weeks I have become the proud owner of 11 MP albums. The only time I've bought that many albums by one artist in such a brief period of time was Magma's Konzert Zund live box set - which is utterly awesome.

    I have pretty eclectic tastes, but veer strongly towards progressive rock having grwon up in the 60s/70s listening to Yes, Floyd, Genesis etc. etc. Since then my tastes and consumption varied considerably, but in about 2010 I started coming back towards prog and have discovered a whole bunch of bands I either didn't hear back in the 70s (Magma being an example) or who came to life in the 90s and since (especially a number of Scandinavian bands such as Anglagard, Anekdoten, and now MP).

    Now for two weeks I've been obsessed with MP, listening constantly to the albums I've bought (BTS, HMF, HBM, LLM, Phano, RW vol. 4, SLWE, Trust Us, ITF10, TDDU, and The Tower) and checking out songs on Spotify that do not appear on those albums but which are cropping up in the setlists on this tour.

    Having become used to bands who tend to play pretty much the same tracks night after night (and usually in the same orer), it's been refreshing, not to say a little mind-blowing, to see that MP seem to have about 4-5 hours of music ready to go, from which they draw about 2/12 hours each night. It makes me wish I wasn't going to just one gig of the tour!

    Anyway. Here I am. I'll mostly just be lurking, or maybe commenting or asking questions of all you more experienced MP lovers. See you around the forum.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  2. Be
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    Welcome Psychonaut!

    If you don't own it already, you HAVE to get Timothy's Monster! For a lot of people this is the best album they ever did.

    Also Blissard and Angels and Daemons at play are essential!

    If you want to listen to loads of their live stuff, you can find it on dimeadozen (if you don't know that site, it is a non-illegal torrent site for the sharing of live recordings).

    Posted 2 months ago #
  3. marc
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    Welcome aboard and consider yourself lucky to have some first-time spins of life-changing albums still ahead of you

    Posted 2 months ago #
  4. Kid A
    Member

    So welcome, you still have to check out the early releases: Timothy’s Monster, Blissard and AADAP

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  5. Punj Lizard
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    Thanks for the welcome and recommendations. As you all point out, I've not dug into the older material much - just the tracks that are being played this tour. I'm looking forward to hearing those albums. For now though, I'm savouring and trying to digest the ones I've already bought - and I'd like to keep some held back, so I have something to look forward to! I don't want to overeat and make myself sick

    The earliest of the albums I have is Trust Us, which is superb. What I find so amazing is MPs ability to stay fresh, to release album after album that not only veers into different territory, but remains true to a certain (psychedelic?) core. Moreover, that the quality remains high. Here Be Mosters, for example, is an album that (IMHO) stands out for being so beautifully laid-back, and seems on the face of it to be so different to the preceeding album (BTS), and yet it is unmistakably MP. And now The Tower, which is totally different again, and yet still dripping in MP DNA. And brilliant to boot.

    Of course, these are all the rramblings of someone who hasn't heard half of MPs output, and has only been swimming in the MP sea for a couple of weeks - so excuse me if I sound like I'm talking rubbish, or preaching to the converted I'm just blown away and can't help myself

    Anyway, it's nearing 8:30 here in London and about time someone should be posting last night's setlist. Where is it? Where is it? Where is it?

    @Be - thanks for the dimeadozen recommendation. I've been aware of dime for some years now, but I'm not keen on and don't link into torrent sites (it is a torrent site, isn't it?). But I do from time to time download boots from other sources, but I find the results are mixed in terms of quality and I hate wasting time listening to bad recordings when I could be listening to something else (there's only so much time available). I'll have to hunt down some MP recordings though. Any particularly classic recommendations from over the years? Soundboard recordings would be particularly welcome if you know of any.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  6. Punj Lizard
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    I just noticed last night's setlist posted on setlist.fm. Unbelievable - two more tracks not played thus far on this tour! These guys do not let things get boring do they?!

    Posted 2 months ago #
  7. Be
    Member

    As I said, dime is not illegal in any way, so there is no risk involved, if that is your concern.
    There are some soundboards from over the years, but I don't know exactly which. There are also some really good audience recordings, too. MP has been and is followed by some really good tapers, also the band has been quite taper friendly.
    Usually you can check a sample on dime. I don't know how picky you are about sound quality.
    Not all recordings will still have seeders, but there are always people reposting older recordings. Just check it out.

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  8. Punj Lizard
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    @Be - I'm not concerned about the legality of it. I'm just not conversive enough with the Torrent concept to feel comfortable enough with it. Fear of the unknown? Luddite? Technophobe? I probaly need to get with the times

    There's no question that some audience tapers are excellent. There was a guy in the US in the 70s who used to tape shows by turning up at the concert in a wheelchair which had his equipment stuck to the underside of his chair (Mike Millard?). I have a couple of his Floyd boots that are very good indeed. I also know a long-time taper (Lostbrook) who produces some fantastic recordings - outstanding. If Dime allow samples that really helps - it's really just a matter of having limited time to listen - so preferring not to waste it on poor quality recordings. I can barely keep up with the official releases of bands I get new recommendations of - especially when, like Motorpsycho, they have 20+ albums to get to know! An embarrassment of riches I'm glad to have discovered.

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  9. supernaut
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    Hi there and welcome. Yeah it's a bit overwhelming and time and money consuming if one discovers a great band with a huge back catalogue. I wish I'd find me one nowadays.... It's funny that you're hooked without knowing the classics like Timothy's Monster or Demon Box, but who knows? Maybe we cherish those albums a bit too much due to nostalgia and because they've been our introductions to the band when we were young and more prone (proner?) to be impressed Timothy is grand, though. I consider it to be the very core of Motorpsychodelia. The Wheel, Giftland & The Golden Core! I also envy everyone who's about to experience them live for the first time, despite all my memories.

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  10. Punj Lizard
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    @Supernaut - Thanks for the welcome. I'm a huge Yes fan and it always seems weird to me when fans say they first got hooked on Yes through the 90125 album, which for me came out after I saw them fall apart and break up! And I wonder, how can you get into them through 90125 not have known Close to the Edge and the other albums of the 'classic' years. Nostalgia for sure plays a part in it. But as far as I can see, Motorpsycho are an exception to the rule that most bands are past their prime after the first (roughly) ten years. But who knows, I did read someone on this forum say that nothing they did after Trust Us comes anywhere close to the earlier material. Fair enough. We all come to music through different routes and with different histories and experiences. I'm just glad to be on this Motorpsycho ride now!

    Posted 2 months ago #
  11. pfnuesel
    Member

    Oh boy, and you haven't even seen them live.

    Welcome to the forum!

    Posted 2 months ago #
  12. Punj Lizard
    Member

    @pfnuesel - Thanks for the welcome. No gigs yet. Can't wait for the London gig in just over three weeks. I'm also thinking about taking a trip to try to catch another date - maybe Cologne, as I'm already hoping to go to Holland to see the brilliant Monomyth in the same week. That will depend on two things though - my wife, and a possible knee operation I might be having between now and then.

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  13. supernaut
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    I did read someone on this forum say that nothing they did after Trust Us comes anywhere close to the earlier material.

    I'd strongly disagree with that. They developed so much. Many other bands have their prime time at some point but not those guys. I'd say most people go to their shows eager to hear their new material, though the classics are always welcome (I'd love to hear Lighthouse Girl done live nowadays...). And what other band has achieved that? Timothy, AADAP or LTEC have been written and played. Done. They could repeat that, but I wouldn't want them to. Instead we got for example Little Lucid Moments and The Unicorn which rank in my top 5 MP albums. I don't even think about anymore if they're getting better or worse or whatever. Their vast oeuvre cannot be pinned down to time's arrow and every new release is just a new release which I like very or not so much. In 1995 I couldn't imagine anyone - including themselves - could top or at least match Timothy's Monster. Where to go from there? But they just went on and on, taking detours, hard brakes, experimenting and style changes, while trusting themselves.
    About Yes, I'd love to hear MP do South Side Of The Sky....

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  14. Punj Lizard
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    @supernaut - Great comments. You've summed up a lot of what I've been thinking. If I go to see Yes or Hawkwind or Gong, 90% concert will almost certainly comprise 70s material. Fine, that was their heyday and my favourite period for each of those bands. But it would also be nice to hear them put more effort into playing more recent material. The fact that they don't almost betrays their own feelings about the newer stuff. MP clearly have no doubts - neither in the studio nor on stage. That in itself is exciting, quite aside from the brilliance and consistency and breadth of the music (or at least the 40% of it I've heard so far

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  15. Punj Lizard
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    @supernaut - MP do South Side of the Sky. Yep, I could buy in to that! I reckon they could absolutely murder (in a good way, if you know what I mean) Yours Is No Disgrace too.

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  16. Supersonic Scientist
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    This just made my weekend! Sail on.
    Looking fw to some words after the concert

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  17. Punj Lizard
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    @Supersonic Scientist - I'm glad my joy has mad your weekend, because the 'discovery' of MP has been making my month!. I will definitely be here to share my impressions ater the London gig.

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  18. Hi Punj Lizard, welcome! Oh, how I envy you discovering MP now. To stumble upon such a treasure, it doesn't happen too often these days, not to me, al least. I mostly lurk around here, but I want to point you in direction of the officially released live recordings before you seek out the soundboards (not too many of them), the radio recordings (luckily there are a handful of great ones) and the audience recordings (there are 100s, and at least a couple from each tour will be worth your time.

    Since your oldest record is Trust Us, you should start with Roadwork 1, which was recorded on that tour, and which - in my book - is another cornerstone of their catalogue. Here you get a fantastic glimpse of the live magic.

    Another live classic is Oslo Rockefeller March 14th 1997, a radio recording that circulated among the traders for 20 years, before finally being released in its entirety as part of the Angels and Daemons at Play Boxset.

    You also have the DVD "Haircuts", which contains a recording from Amsterdam 2002. Also a great, great release.

    When you work your way further back in their catalogue, you will find live recordings shattered throughout, beginning with a show from 1993 in the Demon Box boxset, and also a far out jazz experiment on Roadwork 2, from a show in 1995.

    Let me know, and I'll try to assemble the radio recordings list next time, unless someone else has that list at hand and will post it for me.

    Enjoy!

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  19. Punj Lizard
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    @The Other Anders - Brilliant, thanks for taking the time to give me some pointers. No rush on the radio recordings as I have plenty to listen to already, but further down the line I'll definitely be interested. I have RW4, which is excellent, so will delve further into the live stuff as I move along. RW1 and RW2 sound interesting too. I was wondering though - what is RW3? Wherever I look it seems to be conspicuous by its absence.

    I can't tell you how overwhelming it all is. There's just so much material. Like trying to drink from a firehose, as they say.

    As for DVDs - I don't really get on with them. I have a number of DVDs by bands that I've never watched - they came with CDs but I was never drawn to watch them. I tend to just stick to the listening. I used to watch videos and live stuff off the TV, but these days they just don't do it for me, unless I'm on a nostalgia trip for a bit of Zeppelin or Woodstock. I seem to be unusual in that regard as most of mymusic-loving friends watch DVDs all the time.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  20. kjesso
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    Seeing that you're not too fond of DVDs, it's no wonder you haven't found RW3 - it's on the Haircuts DVD from 2008.

    Welcome, by the way.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  21. Ercarnar
    Member

    Welcome on board! I remember discovering MP seven years ago (I'm quite a new fan too after all) and how wonderful this new world was. You'll see you won't get tired of this anytime soon have a nice trip!

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  22. Punj Lizard
    Member

    @kjesso - That explains a lot! Thanks for the welcome.

    @Ercarner - Thanks for the welcome. I'm enjoying the trip so far. Can't see that changing.

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  23. kippenhok
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    Partial list of radio recordings to kick this off:

    -Roskilde 93
    -Oslo 3/94
    -Rome 94
    -As 94 (3 songs only but are a real treat!)
    -Oslo 1996
    -Quart 1996
    -Oslo 1997 (also on AADAP deluxe box)
    -Stavanger 1998
    -Oslo 4/2000
    -Oslo 2001

    and also these internet live streams:
    -Lowlands festival NL 2000
    -Tilburg 2001
    -Amsterdam 11/2002 (full show; partial show released on Haircuts dvd as RW3)

    This covers the very best that's out there. More radio shows up to 2002 are in circulation but some have issues with degraded sound while others capture the boys on not-so-hot nights

    For 2004 onwards shows I can only think of Oya 2006 as a full radio show, and that one is only about an hour. There are probably partial radio recordings as well from those years. Anyone care to list those?

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  24. Great King Rat
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    Welcome to the Psychoverse! I envy you, my friend, for being about to discover MP's 90's gems. I'm one of those who rate those albums higher than the later stuff. Tthat's because they touch me (stronger). Musically, the later stuff might just be as adventorous, eclectic and demanding. And there's constant development. But I've come to think that I prefer the old songs because MP were in the twenties when they wrote them and I was, too, when I discovered them. A crucial time in growing (up). There's simply a very close emotional connection to their 90's music for me.

    You know, if I were you, I'd listen to Timothy's Monster last, making The Golden Core the very last Motorpsycho song to encounter. That would be some finale!

    Enjoy the trip!

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  25. Supersonic Scientist
    Member

    As a 90's scaninavian retroprog fan, I guess you already know that Reine Fiske (Landberk / Dungen) was a semi-member on "Still Life With Eggplant", and played an extensive role on the following 2013-tour?
    And Anekdoten are huge Motorpsycho fans (a split gig with MP took place back in 2000 in Skien, Norway). I believe the admiration is mutual

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  26. Punj Lizard
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    @kippenhok - Thank you so much for that list. I've copied it and put it in a safe place, ready for when I'm ready to take the plunge.

    @Great King Rat - I know exactly what you mean about a band's earlier material having more impact when you yourself are of the same age. By the 1990s I was entering my 30s and had lived through the years that first turned me on to music - T.Rex when I was 10, Yes, Zeppelin, Genesis, Floyd, Marley, Steely Dan and others in my teens, just before punk exploded when I was 16 and suddenly The Sex Pistols, Stranglers, Damned, Clash, Buzzcocks ... In the 80s it was newer prog bands, especially Solstice, and a variety of popular music, but much more looking back to Joni Mitchel, Neil Young, CSNY, The Doors, etc. In the first half of the 90s I was living in Canada and exploring folk and Canadian artists a little, but mostly experimental fusion from artists like Jah Wobble, Bill Laswell, Transglobal Underground as well as New Age and ambient music. The latter half of the 80s I was living in India - so Indian classical, folk and devotional music came to the fore. In the 00s I was listening mostly to older music but also had a brief crazy Eminem spell! I was angry and it helped me get a lot of that out. The last six or seven years have been a return to progressive and now psychedelic music, but mostly in terms of discovering new bands or ones that had somehow just passed me by. That's where MP come in. And they're making a serious impression - believe me.

    As for your suggestion to save Timothy's Monster and especially The Golden Core for last, well I like the idea, but I'm just not sure I can hang on that long, at least not now that you've mentioned it. It's like telling a kid, 'don't open that cupboard'!

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  27. Bartok
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    @kippenhok U know where I might be able to find some of these? Esp Oslo 1996 which I guess was the spring show at Rockefeller? Great setlist and sound. Which of these is your favourite?

    EDIT: Found the Oslo show, so great, now in a wormhole going through the old EPs YouTube vids etc, even maiden voyage, its been years, but oh my, how good they were. From day one! Politician, Queen Chinee, How was I to know, and that early Blueberry Daydream cut, amazing. Beats everything until DB. Even found a live version of Big Surprise from 98 which is pure indie-rock bliss. That whole era 94-98 casts such a heavy shadow I can’t see how any band would be able to survive it. Well, they have, sorta. But how I miss their melodies and punk psych rock abandon. The new stuff is great, but my heart will unfortunalety always be in the 90s w MP, it was kind of bizarre how much everything just clicked, how easily the songs came, how it just poured out of them, how good Geb was (I almost forgot), how the record sleeves looked, how they looked, how abs right everything was. All good bands have these intense period, but this level is quiet astounding, even for a great band. Ok, I’m 40, so I guess I’ll always be a 90s kid at heart.. All the emotions, insane. Ok, now I’ll give The Tower a spin, eh

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  28. Great King Rat
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    As for your suggestion to save Timothy's Monster and especially The Golden Core for last, well I like the idea, but I'm just not sure I can hang on that long, at least not now that you've mentioned it. It's like telling a kid, 'don't open that cupboard'!

    I see what you mean but i still think you should try. It would be absolutely worth it!

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  29. shakti
    Member

    Well, Bartok...you said it again, *exactly* like I would, and I'm 40 too (well, in a few months), so I do think it has something to do with the time we came of age. But all that said, I connect emotionally with The Tower (the album) almost as intensely as those 90s peaks, so they are definitely doing something right these days too. And the consistency of their output is unquestionable - it's just, as you say, that they were so unbelievably good at their (in our opinion) peak that almost everything will have to pale in comparison.

    It will be interesting to see if Punj Lizard sees it that way though, coming at it from a different angle and a different age. But your eclectic tastes in music puts you in a perfect place to appreciate their entire output.

    Now off to the Larvik gig. I am trying to "ganne" for them to play Rad.Freq and/or Mantrick Muffin Stomp, but it's probably more wishful thinking than anything. That would make my life complete, though.

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  30. supernaut
    Member

    There's definitely an emotional, coming-of-age and discover-the-band angle for us, who got into them in the 90ties. I don't know if Trust Us is "better" than HMF or The Aubergine, but for those old albums I will always have a soft spot and I listen to them differently than to The Tower. I don't really listen anymore to the albums from 2000 to 2002, though... And their shows back then! They're surely better players nowadays but those 90s shows blew us all away, didn't they? That said, their quality nowadays has something to do with not repeating a Timothy's Demon Box At Play blueprint again and again.

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