jtr
Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
December 15, 2007 11:40AM
@supernaut: It's actually very easy why I dont bow down to "the mighty Led Zep" - I just dont like 'em. Not my cup of tea. Never been my thing. Hmmm and what you said about Trust Us, it being "Zeppelinesque" -- Maybe that's why I was never too fond of that paticular album and I never quite understood why everybody is ranking it so high.
It's just a matter of taste, thats all.
Un.Chien.d.Espace
Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
December 15, 2007 12:28PM
yesterday i saw shining. live not my cup of tea. but it was nice to see them...standing next to bent, snah und kenneth (how seemed to be very amazed by them....:-))
Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
December 15, 2007 01:32PM
Regarding that! Although I had already drunk a couple of beers that evening, I'm quite sure that Jørgen Munkeby, the guitarist/saxophonist/vocalist of Shining, was in the crowd at the Bergengig. I wasn't 100% sure, but never got around to ask him. Now that I see Motorpsycho went to his concert, I'm positive that it was him smiling smiley

For me though, it is kinda the opposite of your opinions regarding the band. I really liked them when I saw them live, but on record they didn't come of as heavy or anything and it lost its effect soon after seeing them live.
Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
December 15, 2007 01:47PM
supernaut Wrote:
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> And about that "stealing from the poor black
> guys":
>
> It was the blues, it was the sixties, it was the
> birth of it all, there wasn't any common courtesy
> about this yet. Everyone played blues standards
> and added something here and there. The one with
> the pure soul who throws the stone back to this
> would have done just the same thing back then.
> They did about 3 or 4 Willie Dixon rip-offs in
> their very early years. The band has long credited
> him since then. On their very first album,
> actually. And on Knebworth '79, in front of
> 100'000 people, Plant said, yes they DID steal
> stuff from the blues.
> Memphis Minnie got her credit, too. Way back in
> '71 for When the Levee Breaks.
> The only one I know of that is still credited to
> the band is The Lemon Song from their 2nd album.
> Probably because there are just some parts of the
> lyrics "stolen".
>
> Information is bliss.
>
>

Read this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_zeppelin#Allegations_of_plagiarism[/url]

I know Wikipedia isn't the most reliable source of information all the time, but at this matter it is. I can count 8 direct stolen songs/riffs/lyrics (not counting the references to Stairway to Heaven and YMB at the end of the article which I find okay. On top of that you have When The Levee Breaks which is one of their most famous tunes, but Memphis Minnie did get her credit, although most fans think this is just another example of Plant/Page's great songwriting). Stating that they DID steal from Willie Dixon 11 years later after being filed several law suits against, is the least they should've done. When I listen to music I'd rather have something unique and not just some white boys showing how great they are at plagiarism, and I'm no big fan of Page's 25 minute solos and Bonhams looooong drum solos with no direction either. I'd much rather listen to The Stooges and hear how great Iggy Pop is to 'stick it deep inside'. (Their record from this year though was a disaster)



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Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
December 17, 2007 01:29PM
@Laika:

The plagiarism thing obviously weights more or less if one doesn't or does like a band. Or even for the liking of a band. I may not have an original pressing of their first '68 album, but it is an old and worn one, and I'm quite sure it's from the early 70ties and Willie Dixon already got his full solo credit there for 2 songs. Some of the statements in that wiki article are quite ridiculous (that stop'n'go thing on black dog? come on...), some probably are true. But then it puzzles me, why sometimes they did give credit, sometimes not, and some songs are credited as arranged traditionals. So we can't determine their priorities, but I really don't think there was anything greedy or "evil" in that. They always expressed their love for and their roots in american black music, this by naming the original artists. I know, those can't buy things from that, but I think it still comes down to a common courtesy thing, that wasn't clearly settled back then. Especially not in the minds of a bunch of twenty year old rockers. Zeppelin worked mostly as an improvisational jam band, and what did you jam on in the 60ties and early 70ties? Your beloved blues structures and "hey hey yeah woman give me love" lyrics! So you want to give credit to everyone who did the same thing by jamming over these elements before? It was thought of as being inspired and paying tribute, as keeping a legacy going. Don't forget, these were other times. Later they didn't just give in to ANY lawsuit put forward to them just because they became the bloated rich guys. That's why it may have taken some time. And I totally understand that.
If one googles for Zeppelin plagiarism, not only will you find tons of articles which border on manic behaviour and neurotic nitpicking disorders, they almost all concentrate on their first few records and totally ignore 90% of their (and latter) work. And the fact that the guys worked with hundreds of "ethnic" artists since, obviously doesn't count anything, since it would contradict their cherished bad reputation among the saints.
So well, if you really think Zeppelin was nothing more than some white boys showing off on plagiarism, then I can't discuss this any further.

Generally speaking:
What is it with this white/black dude thing anyway? As I asked before, is it only a crime to steal from black guys? We all love Motorpsycho, but they "steal" tons of stuff. No one seems to bother (nor do I), but is this because they're stealing from white guys...? This is weird. Sorry for rambling, but I react like this instinctively to any form of hypocrisy.

Better watch (and jtr, I demand you to bow to) this and have a good laugh: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM22P66_5hg[/url]



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Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
December 17, 2007 01:37PM
btw I love the Stooges just as well. winking smiley

i would never call them more original though...
Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
December 27, 2007 04:52PM
A list of favourite bands will never be fair, but here is what it looks like from the top of my mind right now :

1. Motorpsycho
2. Sonic Youth
3. Motorhead
4. Guided By Voices
5. The Who
6. Kyuss
7. Monster Magnet
8. Brant Bjork and the Bros
9. Morphine
10 Ministry
Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
December 28, 2007 01:21AM
Here's my list. It changes from week to week, but these days it looks something like this;

01: Motorpsycho
02: Radiohead
03: Sonic Youth / Thurston Moore
04: Mogwai
05: Queens of the stone age
06: Explosions in the sky
07: Godspeed you black emperor / A Silver mt. Zion
08: Pink Floyd
09: Jaga Jazzist
10: Mouches Volantes (Actually one of my projects - we made an album last year, and i find it very soothing these days - Harmonic ambient noise)

"Hey,creator mind! We want in ,we want in on the real stuff, not this new age boogaloo for children. If you show us how it's done, We'll shine brighter than the sun"
Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
December 28, 2007 07:20PM
The Golden Blissard Demon's list is pretty awesome.

my fav bands usually include:
1 tool
2 motorpsycho
3 queens of the stone age / kyuss
4 sonic youth
5 various friends' bands
Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
January 05, 2008 03:52PM
I'm just about to get into The Who for real, especially into Quadrophenia.
Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
January 07, 2008 07:22PM
On high rotation at the moment besides MP are some Swedish rockbands like Dungen, Witchcraft and Anekdoten.

I also like the new Hooverphonic record (The President of the LSD Golf Club)

Further listening: Alamo Race Track, The Beatles, Animal Collective, Captain Beyond (one of the best kept secrets of '70's rock - first album is brilliant), Wooden Shjips and Hanne Hukkelberg.
skie
Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
January 08, 2008 02:26PM
the POLAR exploration ship
orange sunshine
Grand Voice
at the close of every day
Martin
Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
January 08, 2008 09:19PM
ok silly as the whole concept of 'best band in the world' may be, this would be my list:

1. Motorpsycho
2. Pink Floyd
3. Sonic Youth
4. Frank Zappa
5. Mogwai
6. Pavement
7. Queens of the Stone Age/Kyuss
8. Radiohead
9. Muse
10. Built to spill
jtr
Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
January 09, 2008 06:43PM
A couple of actual favourites right now...

- Isolation Years
- Wyrd
- Dornenreich

Other than Motorpsycho and IY I'm pretty much on a strict Black Metal-diet right now winking smiley
Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
January 09, 2008 07:12PM
Until last week, I almost never listened to rockbands, which are singing in german, because most of them, seemed kind of boring, both musically and sometimes even the lyrics...
But since last week, I got hooked on 2 german bands...
...Ton Steine Scherben's first and second album (!!!) the feeling of some songs is just undescribable, because it feels like there could be a revolution right now, but then again, you realize, that nowadays, the young folks and students are quite not as they seemed to be in the 70s, for instance, last year, many committed people tried to organize the "Studiengebühren-Boykott" and I talked to many many people, trying to persuade them of the necessity of participating in that boykott, but many of them replyed: "Oh, I don't want to be exmatriculated by the university, bla bla and I don't think that it makes any sense, bla bla and there won't be many people, so I don't need to participate, bla bla, ... ok, but back to topic, the next band I recently falled in love with is...

...Tocotronic: I always thought "They are boring", but the lyrics of the latest album Kapitulation are very poetic and you can happily sing along. I think with every album they make, they get better and better, let's see what they will do next winking smiley
jtr
Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
January 09, 2008 08:17PM
@Tocotronic: Agree to that. I liked the first album and found the next three pretty bad, but starting with KOOK from 1999 or 2000 they got better with every album. Kapitulation is their best one so far and I'm looking forward for more in that vein.
Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
January 29, 2008 06:11PM
@ Paulus : yeah that first Captain Beyond album is really ace man.
Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
February 02, 2008 09:50AM
Lanegan
Zero (lyon)
PJ Harvey
Captain Beffheart
Cinematic
M. Peyroux
L. Reed -Berlin-
Afterhours
Paolo Conte
The The
Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
February 02, 2008 01:10PM
My favorites of the moment besides MP:

- Nick Drake
- Mars Volta
- Boris
- Queens Of The Stone Age
- Rites Of Spring
- Shellac
Re: What are your favorite actual bands these days beside MP?
February 02, 2008 03:00PM
Listening to Japan again. Artsy progpop thing from the 80ties, that may look like Duran Duran but sounds quite tasty and very sophisticated.
Sylvian later worked with Fripp, Czukay and Burnt Friedman. Says it all.
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