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lol, you don’t see the duality, between

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there’s no religious mindless following here

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if I hadn’t a record player and if it was the only way I could ever listen to a new record by my beloved band, why the heck should I NOT get me a record player???

do you?

and even accusing me for making a fuss, as if that was a bad thing, is worth a :wink:

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Calling those who’d happily buy one a bunch of mindless sheep? Weird.

yes, weird indeed.

You know, you don’t have to defend the band every inch of the way, and if you don’t see the point in, or why anyone is asking any questions about this, I think I can do worse than “mindless sheep” (given a little time with my notebook and plenty of coffee).

But yes, GBD, I see your points, hopefully you’re right about the cd release.

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Yes/no, the fan and the artist depends on each other, it’s not a matter of “owing” or not.

I don’t dictate MP, (even though I was clearing my throat during the pop-period,) and I don’t expect them to dictate what’s in my hi-fi setup either, and the “this is an opportunity to get a LP-player” attitude in the pressrelease strikes me as downright arrogant.

If I can make an observation about this, I’ve yet to see any other fans who accept this kind of behaviour, how “religious” are you guys really?! “The bands latest release isn’t available to me – o well, since it is Motorpsycho, I’d rather spend money on a lp-player rather than asking any questions, in fact, I will defend the bands decission rather than ask any questions!”

– what!?

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Well, I just have to accept that not everyone can have a realistic and reasonable view on things, and especially the greatness to admit when they have been defeated…

o well

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Hehe, definitively!

Oh the movie projects, I made it as far as corpse #7 at one time, the sky was the limit, and corpse #6 was looking to have to spend the weekend at his parents house, no end to the possibilities!

If one couldn’t make it as the one with the weirdest taste in music, you could always win in the “most ironically distanced”-contest – good times, glad they’re gone ;o)

GBD, haw haw haw. You’re just happy I was distracted, since you were totally cornered by my brilliant wits and pointy fingers.

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Haha! that’d be something I would do, If I haven’t been banished to Oslo, due to the unability to grow a moustach, and a comically low level of tolerance for moonshine and coffee mixed together.

You really should check out the commentaries, it kind of sums up the 90’s for me, everyone was doing something cool, nobody understood any of it, but was too ironically distanced to actually ask “why the heck are you doing that like that?”.

In the commentaries, the directors are completely busted, and is forced to make the lamest most obvious commentaries, in order to have anything to say at all – it’s hilarious!

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In this video we thought it was a good idea to take a bicycleride around Svartlamo’n

well du-uh..!

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LLM: Well, there’s the difference that some fans are shut out alltogether, but I see, and enjoy, your points.

And yes, the DVD was a complete waste. I mean, have you actually listened to the directors commentary on some of the videos? I loosely quote mr Hiortøy (I think it’s him) on Hey Jane:

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ummmmm….I don’t know what we were thinking here….there’s some pretty nice dance scenes with Snah later on.

Bejaysus. I just barely moved on after that one.

But I’ve enjoyed this, and hopefully I can still roam the streets of Trondheim safely without risking waking up with a DDE-cd in a rarely sunlit place.

vriendelijke groeten

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Well you really don’t get my point. Any band doesn’t owe the fans nothing. You might just as well demand their next few records for free since you bought so much already. This is just stupid. It’s their work, it’s their life, it’s what they do. And you keep on ignoring very stubbornly the simple fact, that maybe they don’t care to think all this far anyway and just release a vinyl only thingy because they feel like it. That’s how they do things. Always have done. That’s why and how we got this beloved music in the first place.

I can’t be steamed if they released this one single album on a medium I wouldn’t be able to play because I own the means to play all the music I like because I didn’t buy one single gadget which I demand all the music has to be released for because I bought it. And this without even having a MP3 player.

Well, then we don’t get each other’s point, and what happens is – chronologically:

1. The bands longevity comes from having a supportive fan-base. Known fact.

2. Therefore the band and the fan has a relationship which means music, and good times <–> money and the occasional cheering at concerts. Subjective judgement.

3. The band has it’s birthday, and half of the concertcheerers, half of the moneybringers and other followers, doesn’t “get invited”. fact.

4. Some fans gets pissed off, and writes laconic and sarcastic posts at the bands forum. fact.

5. Some fans, which are “invited”, gets all defensive, and calls other fans dutch and other nasty things. subjective judgement.

6. Hell breaks loose, because some fans hasn’t got the wits to step away from a impossible discussion. fact.

And here we are. Still not agreeing – big surprise!

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LLM: I was not aware of dutch birthday-traditions, and did not get the reference -at all- and I do sincerely appologize for the emotional and mental stress this must have brought you, besides many a year of pouring coffee considering your old age.

You can have vinyl on your floor for all I care, I just want to have a disc of plastic to put in my cd-player, goddamnit! :evil:

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Hehe, I don’t mean to be a partypooper here – I’m just asking questions, by all means. Do enjoy it, and don’t worry about me, I’ll be out in the garden with a shovel, if you need to hear what it’s like not having a LP player. *sniffles*

@Krist: Yes. A LP-player touched me in unappropriate ways back when I was 11, if I knew that that arm could swing so fast, I’d step out of the way, my god, isn’t it labeled a hazard to the mental health yet?

And the Ugly and Mountain Ep’s, I don’t care, I have them in my preferred medium, shiny shiny, so there. See how that feels? now go throw away your cd player and feel again.

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Oh, and I don’t mean to sound bitter, but I hope the load of vinyl gets transformed into floor tiles, and I get to step on it.

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@Supernaut

Well, pretty friggin UNcool since you ask – They don’t recognize that at least half, and probably even more of their fans who has been contributing by being fans, spending money, coming to shows etc, and therefore helped motorpsycho becoming the 20 year old motorpsycho they are today, will not be able to partake in the 20th anniversary. Have they done this on every record, that’d be just fine, but no. Just this one. Wouldn’t you be steamed if they released this one single album on a medium you hadn’t been able to play?

That’s my point.

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@Lucid:

FYI: I wish I was 15, but I will refrain from guessing your age. Furthermore, I’m norwegian, even from Trondheim, If that’s a point here, and lastly: what’s so wrong about being dutch anyway? I like dutch people, why don’t you?

If you’re so caught up with being the perfect fan who accepts just about anything that comes from the band or anywhere else, you should seriously sit down and think over where you’re going with your life.

I’ve been buying every release by the band I could get my hands on, I even got a couple of LP’s, for decorative purposes, and I’m not buying the argument that the sheer level of esotericy of the format is enough to exclude people from listening. All the previous releases has been available in vinyl, and why shouldn’t it be in a cd format this time? what’s the thought behind that? What is so compromizing about releasing it on a CD? Isn’t the form and need to be “different” getting in the way of the music, and is that such a good idea? I’m not nibbling at the hand that provides good music here, but they got my hand, which provides them with money, way down their digestivesystems by doing this.

But, principles aside, I don’t give sh*t, I’ll just download it, but then again, it’s not been a year since the band was out in the media complaining about piracy – I don’t see how they can do that – do they expect everyone to buy a LP player then? how big are these guys’ heads anyway?

What’s so hard to grasp in these questions?

@Krist: Well, in my opinion, the artwork hasn’t been much to chant about, but I can see how that adds to the complete experience for you.

I guess I will be heading over to my brother for this, but no way I will be buying it for myself, I’m gona make that my own personal principle. I’ll be first in line, hanging over the shoulder on the guy who opens the first box of CD-editions of this release, but LP? no way!

Well, I’m sure they have some sort of higher meaning by doing it this way, and I’m apparantly not a true psychonaut, who isn’t able to tap into this big thought, this collective mindset, this big unity, this shared mindlessness that seems to ride this forum, are you guys just gonna sit back and accept this?

(Yes, you are, and because you have a LP player, you’ll even listen to good music while doing it – hehe.)

But me for one, will NOT buy a LP player. That’s final. It takes up a lot of space, it’s expensive, and it makes me dizzy when I look at it.

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(who just might sound a bit angrier than he intended, but is too lazy to go edit this)

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Of course we are all entitled to our own opinions in this matter, so let’s disagree to agree or whatever.

I’d say that everyone in here has contributed to the band both by appreciation of the music, and hangin’ on to the trip, even though it had its bumps and turns, and buying records, comming to concerts, buying stuff with logos and so forth, and this being the first real “exclusive” since Babyscooter, strikes me, for one as strange and annoying, my brother, who both owns a lp player (and a burglaralarm – that bastard) thinks that this is the greatest moment ever.

I to appreciate the total unwillingness to compromise, but isn’t this a bit (too) extreme?

Peace out!

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Hehe, you’re most pardoned, my good sir.

I’ll get the album alright, that’s not my concern here, what I am concerned about is that I won’t get it on a cd, and that’s a shame, because I really don’t like stealing music, that is, keeping it without buying the cd.

Now. I’m not going to enter an The Most Devoted fan pissing contest with you, and that’s not what this is about – But I’d very much like to ask you how you can interpret my posts as a encouragement towards piracy?

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i’ll tell you why, and it’s simple really. If the artist wants to continue being an artist (e.g having money to spend on things like food and booze, he’s dependant on the art consumer to some extent, unless he wants to live of governmental grants, which again will have dramatic consequences on the amount of especially booze for the artist, and so he’ll have to adapt to, or at least to some extent adapt to how the consumer wants his work delivered.

Simple as that.

Now, If I listen closely, I can hear your head going through the roof, so I’ll throw in another argument as well: Fans who have been following Motorpsycho for years should be treated with as much respect that they’d shouldn’t be separated by the band – those who have, and those who haven’t got a LP-player. What are they? An Apartheid government or what?

Now, self righteous consumer I may be, but I really fail to see the point in releasing this album on Vinyl, what good may possibly come of it? (Answer that by “Artist integrity”, and I will dump a fileserver on your head)

Perhaps there are some self righteous artists, who will be chuckling around the table on the retirement home, telling tall tales about the time they screwed most of their fans into a life of just piracy, when all they wanted was to listen on their last recording by releasing it exclusively in a format no one could access?

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Lucid, this reminds me of the old proverb: “No arms? No Cake!” ;o) The guys have been sweating over the stove, but now nobody is invited, I don’t see the point in that.

I think it’s a pretty unusual statement in the piracy-debate, if that’s what it is. It’d be like a hotdogstand giving away free hotdogs, if enough people run away with the hotdogs (or whatever), what’d be a sensible statement would be to do like Radiohead did with “In Rainbows”, each pay what they feel what the album is worth, which turned out to be their most lucrative album release ever.

I still think it’s arrogant of them, I’ve never owned a vinylplayer in my life, and I don’t understand what I’ve done wrong to disqualify from getting to listening to this new album in a legal way. But hey, Bent works in mysterious ways, and maybe there’s a purpose to all this and blahblah.

GBD, I don’t spend as much time interpret the workings of the band commercially as I spend grumbling over why the hell I can’t get the album in a legal, high quality way, and you shouldn’t spend your time interpreting it either, unless you own a vinylplayer.

And yes, I pray to God it will leak, don’t mind if it’s FLAC, because that’s the only way I can get to listening to it.

It is fully possible to survive as a musician, don’t let the anti piracy agency tell you otherwise, it’s a matter of how you adapt to the new channels for music distribution, rather than just being such a friggin ludite as our long-haired snÃ¥sakaill and his friends is increasingly resembling.

And Evol, yes, of course your’re right, I agree, Trust Us, and A&D is acceptable, but I have to disagree on LLM, it sounds like it was designed for headphones, which may be ironical when you think of it.

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