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Just wanted to tell that I bought the reissue of ‘In the Court of the Crimson King’…
Had the original already, but it was getting a bit noisy in the soft parts (crackles), so I decided
to buy it brandnew. And it’s a red vinyl!
Also found a 180gr version of ‘Germfree Adolescents’ by X-Ray Spex last week, also one of the best albums ever IMHO.
If you never heard this one, buy it even without listening. Spent only 12 euro’s on that one! Brandnew!!
And right now I’m listening to COIL’s ‘Horse Rotorvator’, what an amazing album!
Jippie vinyl!
gert wrote
Quote:Found out about a guy named John Diamond who protested heavily and gave readings back in 79 and 80 when the Compact Disc was pushed into the market. He didn’t win the war against Sony/Philips, but found this article on the net :http://www.geocities.com/udauda@sbcglobal.net/Digital_Stress.html
So that’s why we prefer vinyl ladies and gentlemen [
]That article mentions nothing about preferring vinyl over CD, but how most vinyl records published after 79 were digital abominations.
Compact disc was not pushed into the marked until 1982, so what John Diamond protested in 79-80 was digitally recorded music released on vinyl. Any vinyl record that has been digital in any step of production looses it True Healing Powers and will lower your Life Energy(sic).
Child of the Future certainly was digital at one point, unless the mixing house Digital Domain’s name is ironic.
John Diamond even manages to link the escalating violence in our society and “soaring rate of Ritalin prescribing” to the effects of digital music.
If you have been relaxed by music after 1980 I wouldn’t be too stressed by that article.
Of course you may want to ask someone born before 1980 (Although I’ve never taken Ritalin and I’m not violent).
Great post Grendel!
Anyway, to end this discussion, we all might do a compromise;
1. Buy(!) the LP
2. Buy/loan/steal/fix/use yr own record player
3a. Continue to use the record player or
3b. Burn to this: http://www.verbatim.com/products/detail.cfm?product_id=426DF5C5-BFFE-449E-8D150DA8A2B31511&cat_id=980D3EE0-28C3-4134-B728BAE68C3BC40D The annoying dust sounds will be kept and you still have Child of the Future on LP! …sort of…
We all win!
@ Grendel :
I know the article about John Diamond isn’t about vinyl or CD’s, it’s even bigger, it’s about analog or digital sound!
He only tried to warn people for the long time FX of digitalised sound. I think he overdid it a bit myself of course, but I guess he just wanted to be heard…..
You also have to see this in history of recording. People were searching for a way to capture sound digitally. Did you think it was invented in 1 day by some dutch nerd in a lab?(excuse my language) It took years to develop the acceptable sample rate etc for the music to sound realistic enough compared to vinyl and tape since that were the only others to compare it to, consumer-wise that is…. Tape caused hiss and vinyl crackles and they both get worn out because there’s physical contact with the playheads.
Anyway, when he wrote it the A/D & D/A conversion wasn’t as good until now, so then it was really audible. Nowadays A/D & D/A’s are much better built, but still some people think there’s something missing.
He did this at the annual AES convention in NY. (AES = Audio Engineering Society)
That same year the Synclavier, Linn drum machine and Fairlight were announced at the AES which got a lot more attention.
It’s rather ironic that Diamond was on that some convention. The 3 instruments/sequencers were the highlights of a new digital era in sound engineering and recording/sampling… And they remain as legendary as a Les Paul guitar or a Korg MS10 for example
Anyway, if you want to know more about it, I suggest you read the book that I mentioned before. It has got a lot of great information on recorded music.
It’s only until now that most people start hearing the difference between vinyl and CD’s, and start wondering why. That’s when Diamond got back in the picture, and a few tests have proven him right already.
That’s why I mentioned his name in my previous message here. I found the article on the net after reading about him and was a bit raving about it… I told you I’m a sound engineer myself. I work mainly on live concerts with an analog desk, because I prefer an analog desk. I’m not saying there are no good digital desks. I’m just telling you I’d prefer an analogue to work with. There are cases where I prefer digital also, on tour with a full band on in-ears where they change a lot of instruments or something. Just because of the computer/memory inside the board.
By the way, do you have a record player? If so, do you regularly play vinyl?
If you were having an album on CD and a good-cut 200gr vinyl, which one do you listen to at home?
Just a few questions, I don’t want to make fun of you or anything like that. I’m not like that!
It’s just that I prefer vinyl anyday now when listening at home. I even stay at home to listen to vinyls!
But then again, I consider myself a bit of a freak regarding sound… I’m afraid I have to be that professionally and it took over my life. Music started out as a hobby and became my job, so after years of experience in Jazz, Classical, Rock, Punk, ….. I think I can finally say for myself that I’m probably hearing a lot better than most other people. It takes lots of years of training, mixing and recording to develop your ears, to get perfect ears… Guess I’m almost there… Maybe not?
And since I bought a record player again, me too I’ve noticed the difference between vinyl and CD.
I never listen to the radio, I can’t stand the compression they use to get programs on the air. I sold all my guitar amps and pedals and bought myself a Tiny Terror, and I listen to vinyls.
It’s funny or actually tragic from my point of view how you mention (sic) after Diamond mentioning music losing it’s true healing powers and will lower your life energy…
Don’t know, but I’m surely feeling different after listening to vinyl then as to a CD…. It has more life to it and apparently it gives me energy since I’m only sleeping 4 hours a night since I bought this goddamn thing!
A colleague of mine, to whom I posted the same article about Diamond, was really in it too. He’s also a guy only listening to vinyls and a musician….
And he wanted to call this John Diamond, because he was convinced that this was one of the reasons why so many kids were suffering from ADHD…. Maybe he overreacted too?
I wonder what you’re doing for a living? I don’t think it has anything to do with sound, am I right?
Listening to ‘The viking of sixth avenue’ while writing this… Has some of the best tunes ever
I would like to thank MP for this!
and for the record :
the other LP I’m raving ’bout now is called ‘Western Cultures’ by Henry Cow.
Anyone out there familiar with their work? Guess I had a bit of luck on finding this one on vinyl….
Any other recommendations? I guess you all get to know me a bit better by now since I’m writing books on this fanpage
While the article is about analogue vs digital, most of the records that people will listen to and perceive to be superior to CD today are digital imperfections in John Diamonds eyes.
While the start of the article was interesting, I perhaps were too dismissive of it overall because the conclusions was way too New Age for me. This New Age vibe was also why I put the (sic) after quoting “Life Energy”.
When someone talks about energy as something other then as a measure of somethings ability to perform work I get skeptic. Shockingly I’m currently a physics student
Also when people start to talk about why _____ is the reason why the kids are awful these days my response is skepticism.
What little I have worked with sound has mostly been theoretical stuff about sampling and in the frequency domain.
I don’t currently own a record player or even a stereo. I got a pair of Sennheiser 555 headphones connected to a SoundBlaster Audigy2ZS as a compromise between price, sound quality and maintaining peace with the neighbors. I’m not an audiophile by any standard.
As long as the audio is good enough that I’m not annoyed my ears are happy. I’m more a freak about video, and I got the best eyes for video of anyone I know. I get annoyed by stuff in DVD transfers nobody I watch movies with see. Not sure how it is for you, but I sometimes wish I can turn it off and just enjoy the movie
@ Grendel
Hahaha, found it funny to read your post…. So you’re a video guy!
Cool, well indeed, hard to turn it off and enjoy the movie or watching TV…
I think we understand each other very well.
Glad to see you’re studying Physics too! I’m not, but I’ve had a lot of bagage since
doing lots of technical stuff…
I perfectly understand your scepticism on the New Age kind of thingee going on with this Diamond.
Nothing to be ashamed of, but I kinda grew out of this scepticism myself by travelling to Asia a few times, experiencing a few ‘spiritual’ things, coîncidences in meeting people etc…. So I started reading ‘Tao of physics’ by Fritjof Capra, it”s about the parallels between the eastern cultures and ours. Metapfysics if you will. Really interesting stuff… You’ll notice that our most important western Physicians are actually saying the same as the great spiritual leaders in the Far East, but in different words.
I think MP is pretty spiritual too : the mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be lighted! How I love this sentence…
Sometimes I think everything is energy : sound, light,… It’s all frequencies we can capture with our senses
I guess it’s just a matter of training your senses and getting good at it. This will certainly light your fire!
Enjoy your job dude!
I hardly can watch television for the same reason as I can hardly listen to the radio by the way, too compressed!
F***ing Loudness War!
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