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You guys shouldn’t insult people for not taking illegal actions.
While I agreee that Motorpsychos newest album should be spread among the fans in more formats than just vinyl, I also respect the bands decision to release it this way (although I hope they will change their minds someday) and you should too.
Just because one of you justifies sharing the week old record on MPs own forum by being a “fanatical fan buying a dozen of their records” dosent mean everyone else do, get it? This forum is not a password protected secret blog. Funny if you buy so many of their records you are not able to invest in a usb vinylplayer, they cost next to nothing I’ve heard.
Can’t one of you just email this kaoss guy his mp3s and get it over with, he seems to be cracking up. I don’t think there is any smugness in not wanting people to turn this forum into a free MP mp3 market, just common decency. Should MP blame themselves, is that your belief? Or whatever, I can’t be bothered to have this discussion. The record will find it’s way to the net anyway, which is okay I guess, just annoying that this forum is used to distribute.
Strange how all the reviews I have read seem to catch the vinyl only thing, while so many fans seem to have missed the whole idea.
@spaceplace: Dime does not allow official releases.
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If you have the record/record player/computer, why don´t you just record it on to your computer?
All you need is a “minijack to phono cable” Tape out on your amp, line in on your computer. use garageband(mac)/soundrecorder(windows) etc. Divide songs and convert to mp3. A child (of the future) could do it!
Took aprox. 40 min. And i got to listen a great album while i did the job. sounds ok too! Not as good as from the recordplayer of course…
@ Lucifer Rising
“Just because one of you justifies sharing the week old record on MPs own forum by being a “fanatical fan buying a dozen of their records” dosent mean everyone else do, get it?”
I get it alright. I get that you are exactly as condescending as some others here.
I never justified using the forum for sharing. I hate sharing. As a composer myself, I know exactly where my loyalty lies. But yes, seeing on the forum there actually was a means of getting the music in a form I can use, I used that possibility _after_ having paid NOK 378 for my two copies.
Your quoting me as someone who has bought a dozen or so CDs has the smell of sarcasm. Please be as sarcastic as you wish, but the fact remains I have bought everything on CD, most on vinyl in addition, and that additional dozen CDs only to spread the word in other areas of the planet.
“This forum is not a password protected secret blog.”
I agree, and it pains me to know that it can be abused for sharing free copies. But though I would never publish a downloading address, all of this came about when loving fans got frustrated with the actions of the band. It simply wouldn’t have happened under normal circumstances. MP have one of the more loyal fan bases. Every normally equipped person knows the boys in the band need money for doing what they do.
“Funny if you buy so many of their records you are not able to invest in a usb vinylplayer, they cost next to nothing I’ve heard.”
You know NOTHING about other peoples’ situation. Another one of these uncaring, condescending utterings. I know a fan who must save to even buy the record. (Apart from that, the sound from that kind of cheap equipment is not even worthy of discussion.)
“I don’t think there is any smugness in not wanting people to turn this forum into a free MP mp3 market, just common decency.”
Seen isolated, indeed there’s no smugness in that. Then again, fans who do not share your view are not automatically interested in that either. It is more reasonable to expect them to NOT wish for it. There is no good argument for implying that you are decent whilst people who disagree with you are not.
How about common decency in the form of the band rewarding their loving audience with a record they can hear without going through all kinds of different steps depending on their life situation? Does that constitute an answer to your way of thinking about decency?
“Should MP blame themselves, is that your belief?”
Eh, no. Do you eat babies?
“Or whatever, I can’t be bothered to have this discussion.”
You avoid a discussion exactly how? By writing a long, condescending comment?
“The record will find it’s way to the net anyway, which is okay I guess, just annoying that this forum is used to distribute.”
Me, I do NOT find it okay that the record probably wil find its way to the Internet. Again, this forum was used by caring fans who wanted to hear the new music.
“Strange how all the reviews I have read seem to catch the vinyl only thing, while so many fans seem to have missed the whole idea.”
Yes, isn’t it strange and wonderous how the world is divided into two groups: the smart ones that agree with you and the stupid ones that miss out on everything? Wow, there must be a creator. This can’t have come about by itself.
Catching on or not catching on has little to do with it. We have spent money and we wish to hear the music. Some of us do not wish to, and others can’t, invest in time and equipment. I fail to see how this makes us undecent people who don’t get it.
Hey men, I’ve decided to not downloading nothing, I’m going to try to encode the vinyl by the help of a friend of mine.
I’m so sorry if my post were boring, but I was happy of the new album.
It’s only happiness.
thank you all for support. see you in the other topic…
Jeez, thanks for taking the time.
And sorry for stepping on your toes, they must be quiet sore by now if you are this touchy.
If it “pains you” to know that this forum can be used for sharing free copies, why do you then post detailed descriptions of how to download it from Soulseek? You must be in alot of pain these days, by your own admission. And you’re right, I don’t know about other peoples situation. But I apparently know that you can afford to buy a dozen of their records to ship out to friends around the world (which is great, really), so assuming you can afford a record player isn’t such a stretch.
You obviously feel that MP owes you something, having spent so much time and money on them, dramatically saying they have stabbed you in the back. I bet you haven’t liked reading all the interviews where they say that they do this (MP) first and foremost for themselves. Still I bet you like their stubborness and unexpected musical turns. Tricky one!
Imagine the fans back in 90 91 when Lobitomizer and Soothe was first released on vinyl only. Vinyl was oldschool even back then and they didn’t even have Pirate Bay. Or imagine your poor friend back in the AADAP days who felt cheated because they released the album as three eps, and then the same eps compiled in a nice box straight afterwards, and then finally as a single longplayer! Ouch! They have never made it easy, and I’m glad, because alot of fun and nice products would not have been made had someone of your opinions run the show. The needs of the lowest common denominator isn’t what you should always try to cater to, it only creates blandness.
So – if you haven’t caught my drift: No, I don’t think the band need to be “decent” to their fans by releasing this limited edition anniversary thingy (5000 copies?) on all formats. And no, them doing so doesn’t justify you posting details of how to get it for free on the internet, no matter how many copies you have bought yourself.
I must arrest you once again though, it’s just so amusing how you say you’re against sharing, though you find it acceptable in just this instance, as it was shared by “caring fans”. Nice that you are the one to decide. Hell, do you think it’s only us 5-6 people writing here who reads this forum? Do you have any principles or are they all thrown over board “just this one time”? Thi-hi.
And thanks for calling me smart, you make it so easy!
kaosspaolo, if you want you can add me as a friend on soulseek. I’ve ripped it on my own and seeing that you’re so desperate I’d like to help an italian fan like me, brother
My username is appestato mantrico. yee-haw!
@ Lucifer Rising
Basically, your whole diatribe against me is mainly based on strawmanning, implicit ad hominems, some more logical fallacies that I don’t care to remember right now and the arrogance of someone in a comfortable position (as the smart guy or the rich guy or the fan with the best opinions… whatever), admittedly with a few positive exceptions. One can only guess why that would be interesting for you. Sadly, putting forth such stuff is easy, whilst rebutting it takes time.
In short: It’s not about my sore toes, my pain and my presumed opinion that PM owe me something. It is about the fan base as a whole, using myself as just one tiny example.
Admittedly, I was careless in describing the dagger part, not making perfectly clear there is a difference between emotions and opinions. It is not my opinion that PM owe me something. But based on my dagger feeling I did indeed decide that I’m not going to send more money to the band than the amounts needed to quench my music thirst. There’s no demand for you or the band to respect that “stubborn” choice (hehehe), which btw is not revenge but a stopping of rewarding above what can be expected.
In my opinion, your “stubborn/tricky” segment fails to score. Motorpsycho have made music I like a lot. They are by no means the next Bach or Zappa, and their stubbornness is not the product I buy. It’s about compositions. The vague implied notion that stubbornness outside of the composition is an ingredient of the composition is flawed, and thoroughly debunked by guys like Bach, Schumann, Komeda (swedish band) and certainly zillions of other composers.
MP’s being founded in or dependant on the psychology of the loyal fan base is not the product I buy (though I tried to help them maintain the stream). I am aware some others buy those products. Some of these extract self-esteem from the notion they are being great fans. Some of those again develop into religious followers (dangerous). Note: I have not placed you anywhere on that line – I know zilch about you. It’s just an observation on fandom.
“alot of fun and nice products would not have been made had someone of your opinions run the show”
If someone of my opinions had run the show, the major difference would have been that the demands on availability would have been heightened, much like Stereolab is run. The archetypal loyal Stereolab fan will buy each and every vinyl, ep, single and special release, whilst more regular music lovers can relax knowing that all the stuff eventually will be gathered on regular long play CDs. It’s a perfect setup that caters for all types of fans, and one that has gained Stereolab lots of respect.
That being said, I do not ask for MP to be run my way. But them running the show their way can eventually make some fans less charmed with their way of thinking, and does not charm me. I act as freely as MP, and downloaded when I got a chance, rather than doing all kinds of work to rip my vinyl.
“The needs of the lowest common denominator isn’t what you should always try to cater to”
Wholeheartedly agreed when taken on its own. Stronger: I am rather strongly opposed to L.C.D. thinking by large. But anti-L.C.D. thinking does not preclude being rounded off, understanding, accepting and wishing to better the common good.
As an example (dangerous, I know), I wrote electronic classical music – the pling plong stuff. That does NOT mean I wish for people to not understand that music, and I wrote computer graphics programs so as to aid the listening experience for those who feel it helps.
“amusing how you say you’re against sharing, though you find it acceptable in just this instance”
In my opinion, sharing is about spreading free copies. I am STRONGLY opposed to that, and even deny my friends to burn me CD-Rs, no matter how much you manipulate what I say into something else. What has happened on this forum however is about frustrated fans who already have bought the vinyl. All of this would not have been necessary. The way you again are strawmanning is worrying.
I do however buy the argument that other people will read this, and some will decide to obtain a free copy. I have tried to think of structures to avoid that, without being able to come up with anything. Note however that the “damage” is not by my hand. The only new thing I put forward was the thing with the capital letters – hardly something that has any impact on the downloading community.
“Do you have any principles or are they all thrown over board “just this one time”? Thi-hi.”
It seems that in your mind this whole situation can only be perceived and understood in one way – either that or you’re crisis-maximizing by abusing every single perceived unevenness to the max. I call that intellectual poverty. Do I have any principles? Do you have onions and pickles with your fried babies?
“thanks for calling me smart, you make it so easy!”
Yes, I saw from the start that you are smart, and never implied differently. One of the ways you use your smartness is strawmanning incessently, in a way so it looks as if that is not what it is. You are smart, alright. You just lack the common decency to respect people whom you perceive to be less smart than you (volumes have been written about that) or who have opinions that you perceive to be flawed, and you seem to have very little regard for people who are not in your lucky pecuniar or intellectual situation.
I’m going to travel to the other side of the world in 2 weeks. I can’t buy a record player here in Bergen, so I’ve dl’ed the album, and I’ll buy it before I leave. Everybody will be happy! I can enjoy the music both(!) on my vinyl player and on my ipod, and the money ends up in the right pockets! yay!
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