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  1. Johnny_Heartfield
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    It happened again. When I finally got the California EP and opened the gatefold cover I had an instant deja vu. As so often with Motorpsycho releases, posters or other media.
    I knew I had seen this scenery before - shadowy figures in front of a bluish california sunset sky. One or two trees in black to round up the panorama.
    Couldn't locate the reference at first, but had a strong feeling I had seen this inner sleeve before on a remarkable album.
    The riddle was solved when I finally took out my first It's A Beautiful day album and opened up the gatefold. There it was - the original band silhouette so closely mimicked by Motorpsycho.

    I had this before - remember when I got the Unicorn tour programme before the gig and startet reading the band biography. Four musician's portraits I new somehow. Of course it was the MP guys and Stale Storlokken on the images, but the biographic texts were familiar as well. Finally I started to laugh - the guys had just taken the musician's biographies from In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida and mashed them up. The tour poster on the other hand with Stale's head on a plate reminded me of Iron Maiden's Peace of Mind.

    I know the MP guys enjoy citing and referencing old heroes now and again - there's lots of musical references anyway. In the titles (Leslie's Vest, Mountain etc.), but in the tunes as well. Take The Cuckoo for instance - Black Sabbath's Country Girl riff from Mob Rules with a middle part from Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.

    Now I wonder - how many references - intentional or not - have you noticed?

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  2. BronYAur
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    Billions.
    Really, where do you wanna start from?

    Simple stuff: "false" covers from other bands. We have:

    "Sterling Says" - tribute to Velvet Underground
    "Motorhead Mama" - quite obvious
    "Whip that Ghost" - Song for A(llman) Bro(thers)
    "Captain Geebhardt" - Captain Beefheart

    Uh, no, really, it's a hell of a job!

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  3. Johnny_Heartfield
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    That's some of the easy ones. Titles that speak for themselves.
    Any trickier stuff?

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  4. Punj Lizard
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    "Motorhead Mama" - quite obvious

    Is it? Are you talking about Motörhead or Neil Young's Motorcycle Mama? Or both?

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  5. crossskip
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    S.T.G. is a good one, mentioned both Sonic Youth for the noise part and Crosby's Guinevere for the used tuning and the intro melody. And of course the melody of Yes - Changes can be found in Mutiny. I remember reading once the whole flute melody of WFTW is ripped of a Bevis Frond (?) song, but I couldn't find it yet.

    The coolest one I think is still found in Kvaestor, using Nicko McBrain's epic drumfill of Where Eagles Dare

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  6. bionaut
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    Superstooge reminds me of the Stooges song 'Fun House'.

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  7. Deadnautpsychohead
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    Two songs on Jerry Garcia's 'solo' album "Garcia" called "The Wheel" (also in many Dead-live sets) and "Spidergawd".

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  8. Phoots Flower
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    @crosskip WFTO -> The Bevis Frond - Waving

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  9. Johnny_Heartfield
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    Whole Lotta Diana - Just turned up in the "worst songs" thread - phew!

    I love that one - the AC/DC reference is not only obvious in the title, but also in the somehow inverted "Whole Lotta Rosie" Riff. And they end the song with AC/DC's intro to "Sin City". R.I.P. Malcolm, by the way

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  10. Johnny_Heartfield
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    Oh - and 7th dream sounds a lot like "Cortez the killer" to me.
    And "the faster we go, the rounder we get". That's Dead for you - Motorpsycho's title (part of K9 on RW1) is just the other way round. Got it fast

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  11. TAF
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    @Johnny_Heartfield: I'd say Whole Lotta Diana also quite blatantly references Black Sabbath's "War Pigs" with the hi-hat keeping time in a similar way in the silence between those short bursts of riffing.

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  12. karmadrome
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    As BronYAur pointed out, Whip That Ghost is a reference to The Allman Brothers - more specifically, the original song is called "Whipping Post"

    I also love how the classic Maiden fill from Where Eagles Dare is used twice in Kvaestor (where Greyhounds dare). Genious.

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  13. Ercarnar
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    What about the Pink Panther in the middle of the piano solo in Mountain?
    And regarding where greyhounds dare...Kenneth has greyhounds, and McBrain is his favourite drummer
    Heavy metal fruit is taken from ME 262 by Blue Öyster Cult
    30/30 refers to the Beach Boys 20/20..."but more confusing" as Bent said
    And a theme from one song in Begynnelser (please don't ask me to write the right name!) is also played in A pacific Sonata

    My other favourite toghether with the pink panther...a reference to Motorpsycho themselves!
    The electric psalmon and the acoustic psalmon in two different albums

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  14. crossskip
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    @crosskip WFTO -> The Bevis Frond - Waving

    Right, that's the one. Thanks!

    Another ref:
    Joni Mitchell - Coyote: "And their pills and powders to get them thru this passion play"
    Explains the additional title (Miss Mitchel in the Ladies Room)!

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  15. paolinogrande001
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    Another ref:
    Joni Mitchell - Coyote: "And their pills and powders to get them thru this passion play"
    Explains the additional title (Miss Mitchel in the Ladies Room)!

    And the lyrics to "Ladies Room" by KISS "Meet, meet you in the ladies room", you will never hear that line the same way again now

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  16. supernaut
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    On Whole Lotta Diana Snah goes all Jimmy Page in his solo at the 4min mark in tone, styling, phrasing (edit: that said, he may laugh at this saying "nope, I went all [insert any other guitarist]"). The little melody after VS's first verse reminds me of KC Starless' guitar intro lick.

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  17. kjesso
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    Six years ago, on a thread about something completely different, I wrote this:

    In a program on Norwegian radio back in the mid-90s, Norwegian radio legend Harald Are Lund talked about the music that had influenced Motorpsycho. He mentioned the band Mountain, and said that the MP song "Mountain" was inspired by a song by Mountain. He played that song, and you could hear his point. The two songs were not identical, far from it, but there were some similarities.

    A few years later, on an impulse in a record shop, I bought a Mountain collection, Over The Top. I managed to get through the 34 songs a couple of times, but couldn't figure out if any of these songs had influenced "Mountain". I haven't listened to it since, my main recollection is that even if the music was ok, the vocals were just horrible. Almost painful.

    Wanting to get the bottom of said riddle, I e-mailed Harald Are Lund, to find out more. He replied that he remembered the program, and that there indeed was one Mountain song that had inspired "Mountain", but he couldn't recall what the song was called. So there you are - a mystery unsolved.

    To which TraktorBass replied:
    I only have Mountains album Twin Peaks here, but could it be 'Never in my life'? There is also a track named 'Theme for an imaginary western' on the album..

    - -

    And if I remember correctly, I agreed with the mighty Traktor, and found similarities between the two songs.

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  18. kjesso
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    And the leader of Mountain was called Leslie West, of course. Motorpsycho played "Leslie's Vest" a couple of times in 2011 - didn't that song turn into On A Plate?

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  19. ThorEgil
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    Bedroom Eyes - Nick Drake
    Never Let You Out - Syd Barrett
    and of course - HBM2 is a great tribute to Echoes

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  20. supernaut
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    Never Let You Out - Syd Barrett

    and that's why I like this one so much. Quirky Syd style. And that fuzzbass.

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  21. pfnuesel
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    Where's the connection between Never Let You Out and Syd Barrett?

    Are unintended references allowed as well? Then I have to say, that the album cover of Angels And Demons At Play always reminds me of the Stones' Beggars Banquet. Don't even know why, I guess it's the color.

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  22. supernaut
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    Geb may not sing about gnomes on bikes in interstellar overdrive, but at least the intro sounds very Sydish. Also Syd often based the songs' rhythms around the lyrics or rather the amount of words he used, hence the quirky beats. Never Let You Out goes quite a bit there, too. So it's not a reference as say "Sterling Says" but the vibe's there.

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  23. pfnuesel
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    Now that you explained it and I just listened to the song again, I find the connection kinda obvious. "Let's get some weed and chill out to Pink Floyd" on the same record.

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  24. Johnny_Heartfield
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    They will probably quote a line from Hawkwind's Space Ritual on the (hopefully) forthcoming next Roadwork: "We had to take out a bit of [insert song title] because it was too long:"

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  25. nicoot
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    Lacuna/Sunrise - Black Sabbath's Laguna Sunrise (Vol. 4)
    I.M.S. = Inner Mouthing Shame - Mahavishnu Orchestra's Inner Mounting Flame debut album (I know for some reason Kenneth Kapstad is a big fan)
    Gullible's Travails - Gulliver's Travels by author Jonathan Swift. Part of the title of the satire has 'Captain of Several Ships' in it, which is often referred to in MP's back catalogue (Ship of Fools, Hollow Lands, other stuff from The Death Defying Unicorn...)

    Cool thread!

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  26. Johnny_Heartfield
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    There is of course also "stained glass" which might or might not refer to Judas Priest's "Stained Class" album. Unlikely though, as "stained glass" is the original meaning modified by Priest.
    L.T.E.C. on the other hand refers to a historical anecdote - when told the people of France didn't have anough bread to eat, Queen Marie Antoinette alledgedly answered: "Let them eat cake..." or "Why don't they eat cake?"
    Motorpsycho's title message seems to be more on the side of "Let's give them some really sweet pop songs after we fed our audience with heavy drone material the past years".

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  27. Blashyrkh
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    Flick of the Wrist is also a song from Queen.
    You can find that song on the album "Sheer Heart Attack" - Motorpsycho also covered the song Sheer Heart Attack. That song is on the Strings of Stroop live album.

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  28. Punj Lizard
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    The Bombproof Roll and Beyond

    Although I expect this is common knowledge amongst long-time psychonauts, I had no idea what this title referred to until I bumped into this:

    "The Bombproof Roll and Beyond: Mastering Balance and Boat Control" by Paul Dutky

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bombproof-Roll-Beyond-Mastering-Balance/dp/0897320859

    This book is copyrighted 1993.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  29. TraktorBass
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    I did some research on the «Bomb-Proof Roll and Beyond (for Arnie Hassle)» a few years back, curious about who the Arnie Hassle being referred to might be.

    Apparently there was a norwegian cayak manufacturer called Arne Hasle who passed some years back. His family is still in the business.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  30. Punj Lizard
    Member

    @TraktorBass - Aha! I was wondering who the Arnie Hassle character might be, and whether or not there was a connection with the boating title. I figured there had to be, but I had no idea. Thanks for filling in that blank for me (and many others, I would guess).

    Posted 2 weeks ago #

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