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  1. BronYAur
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    As we are approaaching to the 30th anniversary of the first known Motorpsycho show (April 29, 1990 @ UFFA, Trondheim), I've spent some time updating my live stats on the band, and I believe I should have track of ALL their concerts and setlists, as far as data exist.

    So, I want to share some of those data, if you're geek enough to appreciate!

    It's a pity that I didn't do this update BEFORE the last tour, because apparently in this tour Moptorpsycho played their CONCERT #1000! It should be happened in Belgium, 4th of October, Salle Baudouin IV, Braine-le-Comte.

    Would have been the excuse for some special concert or celebration or whatsoever... One thousand concerts is a great goal for any band, moreover if it's a band in this great health status! Well, we'll celebrate #2000 then!

    One of the most interesting things about 2019 is that it's been the year with MOST CONCERTS since Geb's departure from band! Including the next two gigs scheduled in december, it's a total of 56 concerts! It's the third year for number of concerts after 1997 and 2002. Not bad for two guys in their 50s...

    1990: 9
    1991: 24
    1992: 19
    1993: 55
    1994: 49
    1995: 54
    1996: 56
    1997: 71
    1998: 50
    1999: 43
    2000: 53
    2001: 32
    2002: 62
    2003: 7
    2004: 5
    2005: 0
    2006: 31
    2007: 9
    2008: 39
    2009: 26
    2010: 23
    2011: 26
    2012: 32
    2013: 31
    2014: 35
    2015: 15
    2016: 29
    2017: 40
    2018: 33
    2019: 56

    This list includes festivals, special gigs (like "The World" presentation, or "Un Chien d'Espace" presentation), but not TV shows or side-projects (No Tussler here!)

    GEOGRAPHY

    Where did the guys play in their career? Of course Norway is the most toured country, but what about the others? And how many countries did they hit?

    378: Norway
    228: Germany
    116: The Netherlands
    93: Italy
    33: Belgium
    31: Switzerland
    29: Denmark
    21: Sweden
    17: United Kingdom
    15: Spain
    9: Austria
    7: Japan, United States
    6: France, Luxembourg
    3: China
    2: Greece, Finland, Hungary, Poland
    1: Croatia, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovenia

    More than 80% of the gigs are distributed in four countries only: Norway, Germany, Netherlands and Italy. I'm still surprised that Sweden is only 8th in this chart...

    The total is 25 countries, all in Europe except China, Japan and USA.

    VENUES:
    This could be more intriguing: which are, or have been, the band's favourite places to play? This statistic probably doesn't answer the question, as long as they're not the ones who decide where to play for the whole tours, and also because many venues don't exist anymore (i.e. Velvet Club). But for what it's worth, this is what we have. The list includes only venues with more than 5 concerts. Forgive my typos!

    30:
    Rockefeller Music Hall, Oslo (N)

    20:
    Stiftelsen Folken, Stavanger (N)

    15:
    Studentersamfundet, Trondheim (N)
    Effenaar, Eindhoven (NL)

    12:
    Kulturzentrum Schlachthof, Bremen (D)
    Vera, Groningen (NL)

    11:
    Garage, Bergen (N)
    Byscenen, Trondheim (N)
    Veita Scene, Trondheim (N)
    Tivoli, Utrecht (NL)

    10:
    Coupole Bienne, Biel / Bienne (CH)
    Velvet Club, Rimini (I)
    Kvarteret, Bergen (N)

    9:
    Forum, Bielefeld (D)
    Backstage, Munich (D)
    Bloom, Mezzago (I)
    Rosendal, Trondheim (N)
    UFFA, Trondheim (N)

    8:
    Conne Island, Leipzig (D)
    Verkstedhallen, Trondheim (N)
    Paradiso, Amsterdam (NL)
    Doornroosje, Nijmegen (NL)

    7:
    Sinus, Bodø (N)
    Studentersamfunnet, Halden (N)

    6:
    Arena, Vienna (A)
    Zakk, Düsseldorf (D)

    CITIES:
    This is tricky: there's a lot of venues that are in the neighbours of the main city, and I've filed them under the little town. To make the example of my hometown, Milan has only 5 concerts, but you should add Mezzago (9) and Trezzo d'Adda (5) which are in Milan's suburbs, bringing the number to 19... But I won't do that, because I have not these info an ALL european cities! So I'll make the count considering only the effective cities (only with 10 or more gigs):

    82: Trondheim (N)
    63: Oslo (N)
    40: Bergen (N)
    27: Stavanger (N)
    20: Cologne (D)
    19: Berlin (D)
    16: Copenhagen (DK)
    16: Eindhoven (NL)
    15: Hamburg (D)
    14: Amsterdam (NL)
    14: Utrecht (NL)
    13: Bremen (D)
    13: Tromsø (N)
    13: Groningen (NL)
    12: Hanover (D)
    12: Rimini (I)
    12: Kristiansand (N)
    11: Bielefeld (D)
    11: Munich (D)
    11: Bodø (N)
    11: London (UK)
    10: Biel / Bienne (CH)

    So, Trondheim rules over Oslo, and in the "rest of Europe" Koeln leads by one over Berlin!

    Ok, I think it's enough for a sunday morning! Comments and questions are welcome!

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  2. ffbernie
    Member

    awesome ...great work

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  3. Johnny_Heartfield
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    Thanx for this work! Quite interesting - I knew it in my bones Cologne is somehow Germany's Motorpsycho capital. In theory you could ad the Düsseldorf performances as Zakk is only about 50 km distance, but bringing Cologne and Düsseldorf together - and be it in name only - is an absolutely no-go in the region

    You could also combine the Frankfurt/Wiesbaden/Darmstadt performances - only 30 km distance between these places, but very different locations/crowds, so it is adequate to count every place separately.

    I expected more Conne Island/Leipzig shows though. On the other hand almost all of the latter were absolutely mind-blowing performances. General experience has it that some of the best shows are usually at the end of the tours on return from Italy, somehow conserving the energy of the Italian gigs and combining it with the more detail-obsessed attentiveness of the German crowds. Lately there were some mindblowing, very stretched and musically satisfying Italian performances as well - I'm thinking of Avellino, Bresia or Firenze. I find Rimini being No.1 in Italy quite surprising - but considering your separation of the various Milano & sourroundings gigs that may be the case.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  4. BronYAur
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    @Johnny_Heartfield: Yeah, aggregations in Germany would be maybe a bit hazardous. For what concerns Milan neighbours, Bloom and Live Club (14 gigs together) are 10km one from the other, and not more than 30 from Milan. Actually, both the town are unknown to anyone in Milan (and the world!) who don't go to Bloom and Live Club to see concerts or play! So, well, it would easily add up to the 5 concerts downtown (none of which was really memorable, to be honest!), AND to the one in Magnolia, which is actually on the BORDER of Milano county!

    About Rimini, well, Velvet was really a great venue, especially in spring/summer when you could take advantage of the lawn behind the venue, even with an artificial lake for fishing! I know the guys loved this place, and I remember sharing with the band some great moments back in 2000, long chats with Geb and some weeds with Bent and Baard for the latter's birthday...
    I'm quite sure that the band wanted to include Velvet as often as possible in their tours. Unfortunately, Velvet closed its activity some ten years ago...

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  5. Great King Rat
    Member

    Great effort, BronYAur! That's the nerdy stuff we love around here.

    I hardly remember that dry spell from 2003 to 2005 with only 12 shows, especially 2005 ("Year 0") must have been a terrible year for many here. And only 9 shows in 2007 after they had been "back to normal" in 2006? What was wrong there?

    I would have thought they've played Bremen more often than just 13 times. At least, all but one of those shows were in magic Schlachthof (I reckon I saw half of those), does anyone remember where in Bremen they played that one other show?

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  6. supernaut
    Member

    And only 9 shows in 2007 after they had been "back to normal" in 2006? What was wrong there?

    wasn't that the year inbetween jacco and kenneth?

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  7. otherdemon
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    @GreatKingRat: According to Dampsaba: Wehrschloss, Bremen, 1995-03-12

    Thanks a lot for these stats! I love geeking/nerding out to this kind of info

    At least concert # 1000 was captured by Bernie!

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  8. Punj Lizard
    Member

    Great work, BronYAur. Interesting stats

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  9. Phoots Flower
    Member

    @BronYAur Great
    @otherdemon

    At least concert # 1000 was captured by Bernie!


    Well, this concert has to be seen again since it is even more special now
    ((not complete at the moment. 3 songs missing)

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  10. BronYAur
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    "And only 9 shows in 2007 after they had been "back to normal" in 2006? What was wrong there?"

    "wasn't that the year inbetween jacco and kenneth?"

    I'm not entirely sure abut that. In october 2006 there's a norse tour where they debuted the song Child of the Future, but nothing from Little Lucid Moments yet... was it still with Jakko?

    Anyway, 2007 is even worse than it seems: 6 of the 9 concerts were summer festivals with reduced setlists
    I think that was exactly the time when they were training Kenneth on their catalogue!

    Talking about "who was playing when", there's an info that I've lost in memories and destroyed notes... maybe you can help me: I'd like to recollect ALL THE BAND'S FORMATIONS since the night of times: which tours were with Deathprod? And with Killer on drums? And Reine? Baard? Lo? Which tour they played in a 5-member formation? Etc etc...

    Could anyone help on this? Would be great for me, and then I could provide some new geeky stats!

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  11. Great King Rat
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    @otherdemon: Thanks!

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  12. kjellepelle
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    I belive the last tours with Deathprod was in 93. I joined them i 94 uptil 2000. So I witnessed the years with Lars Lien, Morten F. and Baard. I belive Baard was with them atleast 2002-2003. I dont think Kjell Runar did tour alot with MP outside of Norway. They did play Oslo and Molde atleast.

    On our way til molde: Kulturelt Alternativ, Molde, 1991-05-01 With the fameous bents hits snah in the head with the bass. Alot of blood but no big injuries

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  13. tkm
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    Sinus, Bodø moved to a new location in 2014. So at least one of those seven. concerts is not at the same location.. They also moved in 1992 but not sure if they played at sinus before that..

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  14. kippenhok
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    The Norway Fall 06 tour was a Bent, Snah and Jacco. Those were the last shows with Jacco. Kenneth was with them for all 2007 shows.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  15. Juergen
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    @ tkm

    The first Motorpsycho show at Sinus was on 1992-10-24. There is no Motorpsycho show known before that date.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  16. mefisto
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    First show with Kenneth was the Quart festival in 2007 (July 4th, just before The Who)

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  17. kak
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    @tkm

    The 2014 show was at the "old" Sinus. 2019 was the first time they played at the current Sinus.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  18. TAF
    Member

    Since this thread has popped back up again:

    A few years ago (2012-13) I spent some time (an embarrassing amount of time, to be honest) manually adding setlists, year by year, from DAMPSABA to setlist.fm, in an attempt to gather all setlist data in one place.

    I've since not paid much attention to setlist.fm, but it seems to me that it's still probably the best repository for MP live stats that we're likely to get - even if there's a few issues with the way data is presented (only counts MP, as MP+Ståle Storløkken is a separate entity, snippets of songs within other songs is hard to present in a logical manner, etc.)

    If some of the nerdier members of this forum (quite a few of us here, it seems) had the time, it would take only a little bit of effort from each of us to maintain this repository and keep it up to date.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  19. Be
    Member

    About the Bremen gigs:
    The first show was indeed at the Wehrschloss, a club that hosted mainly punk, hardcore and noise bands. My flatmate did catering there at the time. It was my first MP show and I've been hooked since then.

    Of the 12 Schlachthof gigs, I attended 10 and missed 2 due to illness. Once maybe in 2003 and for fuck's sake this year!

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  20. Great King Rat
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    @Be: Never been to Wehrschloss, and 95 was just before I got to know the band... 10/12 Schlachthof shows is quite impressive! And although this year seems to have been great again (I missed it too), you at least attended last year's already legendary 10-songs-in-150-minutes-gig! That one's definitely among my top 5 MP shows.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  21. BronYAur
    Member

    @TAF --> So YOU are the one I have to thank as a main source of this job I just did!
    I actually used setlist.fm for most of the work, but I also checked the old DAMPSABA thing for the old times, AND my previous not-so-updated database that took info directly from this forum as soon as setlists popped up.

    Unfortunately, the setlist.fm system is not the best to annotate all the variations on songs, the "medleys" and the peculiar versions and episodes from single concerts.

    The best model would be, in my opinion, the phish.net model used for Phish concerts, which have some similarities in managing the setlists (though the sources for Phish are monstrously more accurate, since every single concert is recorded and spread on the net, and every single setlist is reported without any error).

    If I'm not wrong, Alex "Kisshermind" Schulze opened a site trying to report MP's concerts and setlists exactly in that way... But, alas, I don't remember the name of the site, nor if it's still alive... Maybe, Alex himself could help us!

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  22. Juergen
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    I started my personal database in 2002 or 2003 (or later) with a word file. It has now more than 240 pages and includes all tour dates and setlists including Tussler. Moreover, I asterisked (*) all the gigs which have been recorded by the audience. Unfortunately I don't have an overview about all video recordings by Bernie. They have to be added.

    I have a song index for Motorpsycho and another one for Tussler, too.

    I counted more than 400 different Songs which have been performed live since 1990 (see the other thread).

    For this reason there were more than 55 concerts in 1993 because Motorpsycho played Berlin KOB 1993-01-29 and I know someone who recorded this Show in an occupied house in Berlin-Schöneberg. It is not listed on Dampsaba but it took place. It was organised by the same Berlin promoter who still organises Motorpsycho concerts nowadays.

    In an old Dampsaba Version there were also those gigs listed but those are deleted in the current Version:

    GER Salzgitter,Forellenhof 30.01.93
    GER Schleswig,JUZ 31.01.93
    GER Hamburg Marquee Club 01.02.93
    DK Odense Rytmeposten 04.02.93
    DK København Ungdomshuset 05.02.93
    DK Aalborg 1000 fryd 06.02.93

    Dampsaba stated "setlist not available". This sounds that those gigs took place but the band could not remember the setlists.

    Can anyone remember why those gigs have been deleted?

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  23. BronYAur
    Member

    @Jurgen - Yeah, I remember those "setlist not available" thing on the original Bob leBad's file! But I couldn't find them anymore, so I thought I imagined that... Thanks for popping them out, I'm going to update my file, even though it's a pity we have no stlists

    My file includes the Berlin KOB show and its setlist, so it is in my count... Maybe something else is missing in my file.

    My file is an excel file crossing gig dates and songs. It includes 405 different songs, but it lacks of Tussler stuff, which I consider a different band's stuff!

    Of course I'm interested in your word file! I need as more sources as possible to complete my hard job! I'm going to email you in a minute

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  24. grindove
    Member

    True! 63 shows in 1993, according to this (if my counting is correct):

    https://motorpsycho.fix.no/havetravel/motorgigs/

    Haven't checked/compared those other years, though. But what struck me in the first place is that the Arvika Festival gig 1996-07-19 is listed on this old site but can't be found at dampsaba. So there might be more

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  25. BronYAur
    Member

    "the Arvika Festival gig 1996-07-19 is listed on this old site but can't be found at dampsaba."

    Somehow, I have this gig in my stats. Only, I don't know the location of this Festival! Anyone can help?

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  26. grindove
    Member

    Arvika is a small city (14000 inhabitants) in Sweden, 130 km east of Oslo.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  27. fillmore
    Member

    The best model would be, in my opinion, the phish.net model used for Phish concerts, which have some similarities in managing the setlists

    Word! Regardless if you like the band Phish or not, we definitely want something like this, i.e. a searchable database on the net. Check out the song history of the song "Tweezer", which is Phish's "K9" and tell me that you want something like this:

    Tweezer overview | Tweezer history | Tweezer jam chart

    If I'm not wrong, Alex "Kisshermind" Schulze opened a site trying to report MP's concerts and setlists exactly in that way... But, alas, I don't remember the name of the site, nor if it's still alive... Maybe, Alex himself could help us!

    It was called Motorgigs.org and I started it in 2011. It was all manual work, i.e. no database, which was impossible to maintain so I had to abandon it soon. I have not given up hope though to contribute to a comprehensive MP concert history one day. It's my big dream to channel all our efforts and all these contributions into a single outlet where one could dive deep into the concert history of MP.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  28. BronYAur
    Member

    Check out the song history of the song "Tweezer", which is Phish's "K9" and tell me that you want something like this:

    Lol Alex, Phsih.net "jam charts" are one of my favourite readings!
    Actually, I can make huge use of youtube + headphones at work, and this allows me to listen to ALL the Phish concerts, loaded on the tube by the mighty "fromtheaquarium" account. Every single concert from 1990, and a big number from the eighties! Listening to them all is some experience! I'm currently listening to Paradiso, Amsterdam, 1997. A place that someone here should know, and also one of their most famous concerts... And while I curse them for NEVER EVER AGAIN touring Europe since 1998, I have to admire the level of cult they drained from their super-geeky phans! We're talking about a fanbase of tens of thousands who NEVER talk about their studio albums, but only refers to the band's repertoire exposing their thoughts on the single live version! They don't talk about the "David Bowie" song back in the days, but specifically of the "Providence Bowie" of 12-29-94 as opposed to the "Atlanta Bowie" of 10-15-94. This is a level of depths that even the most MP fanatics of us are not reaching.

    Phish DataBase is a rich work on a complex platform. Phishheads in the States are rich enough to sustain very expensive concerts AND to contribute the net platforms on a voluntary basis. I have no idea of the technical issue to run a database as accurate as that one, not mentioning the relative lack of live documents to correctly annotate the setlists.

    But if anyone has the time, the will and the technical skills, I'm in for some data entry!

    Oh, by the way... I never connected to the fact that YOU are Alex! :DDD

    Posted 1 week ago #
  29. Phishhead
    Member

    LOL What about them Reba jams!

    Posted 1 week ago #
  30. Blashyrkh
    Member

    If you want I can create a website / platform where we can add all the songs and attach them to the setlists?

    Posted 1 week ago #

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