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INTO THE MAELSTROM documentary (2019)

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  • Started 2 weeks ago by ffbernie
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  1. Punj Lizard
    Member

    @Tomcat - exactly!

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  2. supernaut
    Member

    Yeah that was funny. I was introduced to Zeppelin before Crimson and I love both bands nowadays. I wouldn't say Bruford is heavier than Bonzo because no one is! There's a couple of edited Bonzo solo tracks on youtube. Serious oooomph while super swingy. But I absolutely understand Tomas' point the way he puts it. I got "The Great Deceiver" box set with Crimson live recordings from around 73/74 when I wasn't a kid anymore so I'd heard a lot of "heavy" music up to that point and it blew all metal to the moon. Ah, John Wetton!

    And Page's acoustic guitar is more powerful than Metallica's chugging? Hell yes!!

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  3. TraktorBass
    Member

    There are also some interesting similarities between Tomas describing what it was like to join Motorpsycho, and how Bruford described going from Yes (where there was alot of discussion about how and what to play) to King Crimson (where you were just supposed 'TO KNOW').

    Found the quote:
    "Everything you've heard about King Crimson is true; it's an absolutely terrifying place.

    Yes was an endless debate about should it be F natural on the bass with G sharp on top from the organ, or should it be the other way around. In King Crimson, you were just supposed to know."

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  4. Flippern
    Member

    Christmas came early this year! So good, thank you so much!

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  5. suntripper
    Member

    Among all the elements that make this such a great piece of work, I would like to highlight the way you have coaxed and captured such calm, candid and lucid reflections on the creative process from not one or two, but all three. The absence of any intrusion by interviewer, presenter or commentator means the spell is never broken throughout. Nothing jars; nothing is out of place in the whole film. It's perfect!

    The opening two minutes alone are a work of art, and we already have a treasury of quotations. After Bent's words about being in the moment and Snah's about losing himself, I was really struck by what Tomas has to say - so well put and, clearly, he really feels it. His words provide a very fitting prelude to the opening titles!

    @supernaut - I really liked what you said about Tomas being like a gateway for us outsiders.

    I was reminded of the legend of an onstage out-of-body experience once shared by three out of the four members of Killing Joke (not Youth). See the short teaser here from 1:16, which shows just a snatch of Geordie describing this particular moment, followed by Youth and Jaz talking more generally about profound moments when playing live.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qNozCjM5Io

    I think there is more meat on the bones about this moment in the full documentary, which is a very different animal from 'Into the Maelstrom', but, still, rather entertaining, even if you don't like the band (and plenty don't); at least you get to see Jimmy Page giving his thoughts, and it's also pretty funny in places - particlarly at the expense of Coleman, who seems to be able to be both ludicrous and sinister. His mother doesn't quite say he's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy, but you could believe that bit's lying somewhere on the cutting-room floor.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  6. supernaut
    Member

    yes that Killing Joke thing there impressed me, too. Scary but amazing.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  7. Blashyrkh
    Member

    What a gift ! And it isn't even Christmas yet. Thank you very much Bernie.
    Really nice documentary. Going to see it again this evening with some friends. I hope I can "transform" them into psychonauts

    Does anyone know what brand of guitar Snah is using during Starhammer (18:00) ?
    It doesn't look like a Stavem or Gibson.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  8. TraktorBass
    Member

    Looks like this one: https://www.instarix.org/media/2104022995258130846

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  9. Johnny_Heartfield
    Member

    Watched the whole Maelström experience in full lenght yesterday late evening. Needless to say it's a brilliant piece of filming - what positively surprised me is the quality of the interviews and the "thematic choreography" of the whole movie. I guess that a) this interview has either really been well prepared and/or b) was situated in a very friendly, relaxed and sympathetic atmosphere among likeminded people and c) has been very cleverly edited. Propably all three of them - anyway, I hardly ever watched an interview with a band that transported so much precise information with virtually no bullshit.
    Normally it is either fans stumbling over their own feet in excitement - hello Punj Lizard - or uninformed media people blurting out rather superficial phrases and never getting to the point. Well done!

    Another strength of this documentary is the concentration on musical aspects. Of course there could have been a lot of other issues like side projects, line-up changes, cooperators, the whole business side, touring life and so on, but the major thing with MP these days is just that - shut up and play your double neck guitars (and drums/keyboards). Work on your tunes and bring them to the stage. Play hard and jam freely. Take off and fly. This aspect of course reminded me of what Phil Lesh described as the main justification for going on with the Dead all these years: Play and try to lift off into the zone - jamming, spacing, listening to each other. So it is not necessarily a miss that the Dead were never mentioned by name along with such important influences on MP like Purple, Sabbath, Motörhead, King Crimson and - by God, yes, even Kiss. They are always there - lingering in the background in almost every second sentence of the interview.

    There's only one slight criticism that I might point out: After all that talking about jamming, improvising, jazzing, lifting off and on stage out of body experiences it might have been a good idea to close the clip with a longer musical piece showing just that - it is hard to get a feel of that phenomenon in a 2-3 minute snippet, as good as it may be musically. It is probably not the free flight that I might miss there, but the long runway and the lift-off.
    Apart from that small issue I think the choice of music and the whole dramaturgy is excellent - thanks once again for this effort, boys!

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  10. Punj Lizard
    Member

    Normally it is either fans stumbling over their own feet in excitement - hello Punj Lizard [;-)]

    True dat :lol:

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  11. supernaut
    Member

    Ha, never underestimate the importance of Kiss. Lots of great and unique creative bands (not just the campy hair metals) are fans. To quote someone else (don't remember who): Kids back then might have wanted to play like Page or Beck or Eddie, but they picked up the guitar in the first place because of Ace Frehley. The magic, the escapism by becoming-a-superhero, music being something more than just notes and scales. Bent says something like that as well.

    Though I wouldn't mind a "proper" biographical, chronological career spanning movie with facts and figures (and probably 4 hours long), I agree that the way Bernie's film focuses insightfully on the whys & hows and the motor & the psycho in 2019, is very fascinating. To mention Killing Joke once more, there's been a biopic film recently which does just that, too. It starts out as yr usual career chronology but soon enough it deviates into strange territory, when the bands' ramblings about ideas and motivations take over. And that's a properly produced movie released on DVD. Bernie just sits down with the guys and a camera and pulls it off just as well.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  12. ffbernie
    Member

    everyone...thanks again for all the (more than) kind words...its very overwhelming. I cannot explain how gratifying it is to read how evreyone percieves the film and how everyone picks up on other details. When making this thing you follow your instinct and although I had a pretty good idea of what I wanted to film to be...its is so cool to see that people "get" all the little ideas, editing, meanings, cuts...I had in mind. Thats what so cool about you guys watching it and feeding back. I find myself regularly saying out loud "waaw...thats the way I meant it but I didnt know wheter people would get it"...anyway thanks a lot x

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  13. Johnny_Heartfield
    Member

    @ supernaut: I know what you mean - been a Kiss fan myself for about half a year
    Great stuff for fourteen year olds - a great trap for a lifetime of Rock'n'Roll. As Indian mythology says - the lotos flowers always flourish in the muddy swamps...

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  14. JERO
    Member

    @Johnny Heartfield "the long runway and the lift-off"; what a great way to describe that, I wonder if it's even possible to convey that experience into music-video, I think this can only be experienced live during concert, taking off together with the band into sonic heaven, something all of us surely have experienced. So if there will be MP-virgins that will get the taste from this ueber-documentary, let's all take them along next gig nearby!(as long as they don't stand in the way of Bernie's camera, of course!)

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  15. Thanks Bernie

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  16. marc
    Member

    Thanks a lot Bernie! I love it and everyone I showed it loves it as well.

    Through past interviews and the posts of Bob LeBad, Bent's take on music and the band's MO was already rather well-known. However, it is always great to hear current thoughts.
    The true highlight for me is, that I rarely (if never) seen Snah so extrovert and talkative about his perception of music. So great! Incredibly cool guy.
    Also Tomas statement are really revealing. His professional musicianship highlights the unique chemistry going on between Bent and Snah.

    Again, thanks a lot, Bernie! Absolut top-notch work of art!

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  17. ffbernie
    Member

    @marc : thanks a lot

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  18. mikke
    Member

    Thanks guys! Really great stuff, indeed!

    Some of this material was covered the in «Supersonic Scientists – An exhibition about Motorpsycho» at Rockheim a few years back.

    There some interactive "screen" where some
    of the same topics were present (btw: should not be too hard to convert that stuff to web).

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  19. supernaut
    Member

    sorry for slightly being OT but it relates to the film...:
    @johnny, I've also been a fan when I was 10 to 12, but when I discovered Zeppelin and Sabbath I started to think Kiss were maybe not really thaaaat good and droppped them. Later, maybe around 25, I rediscovered them. They had great songs in the 70s until Ace left. His songs but also some of Gene's like She, Deuce or Watching You I'd put up there with Immigrant Song or Wheels of Confusion.

    @Bernie:
    How was the band's final say? Did you show it to them before release?

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  20. Phoots Flower
    Member

    Thank you soooooooooooooo much, Bernie. You're great. Your documentary, too.

    I've had to see it several times to understand it well because of my low level of English so I've enjoyed it a lot.

    The audio quality at the Oslo concert is perfect. I love the crunch of Snah's fuzz. Hopefully we can see the full Oslo video with this audio quality.

    I see in the credits that you have more videos in your files that have not seen the light. F5 every week

    I feel happy and fortunate that for some reason MP music makes some kind of click or subconscious connection to my brain and therefore they are my favorite band. The albums that release at least one a year, the chance to see them live every few years and Bernie's videos give me many joys.

    My dream would be that MP will release a documentary about the process of recording and mixing in an album. Hopefully someday we can see something like this.
    Sometimes I have fantasized about a documentary about the HMF recording and the feelings of the people involved while Gullible's Travais was being recorded and mixed.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  21. marcbee
    Member

    1. very intressting documentary, great work! Thank you so much.
    2. KISS: my first record that i boght with 5 years in 1981 was Dynasty, influesed by my neightbour, 8 years older. He had this Kiss-cassettes...
    We where born in the Swisscheesemountains, there was no streaming no internet no bands around there. So i loved what i had: some cassettes some LP‘s. You listend to the music and it made the pictures in your mind. Still the best Kissalbum for me is „the elder“, the only album who was sold less than a million. It was my first conceptalbum i listend to. Great travel!
    So these influesces will stay the rest of your life in your head and bones. I can realy good understand Bents words.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  22. marcbee
    Member

    https://youtu.be/Gw_dVqPneu8

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  23. supernaut
    Member

    haha The Elder. I think its pompousness kills it. It's really not the most clever concept album. That said, it was quite daring, pushing the boundaries and I liked it at the time. (heck I even liked Unmasked and still do). "Forget what we did so far, what anyone expects from us, what anyone thinks we're (not) capable of. Now we gonna do this because we feel like it!" Quite motorpsychedelic in spirit. The band is more than we individual musicians are. It's a vessel to do things and go places.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  24. kjellepelle
    Member

    Love the documentary, Will it be possible to get as a fysical copy.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  25. Vegard B. Havdal
    Member

    OMG Kjelli FYSICAL COPY

    Posted 1 week ago #
  26. kjellepelle
    Member

    Vegard I'm old school..

    Posted 1 week ago #
  27. ThorEgil
    Member

    I'm in for a physical copy also. My old school stereo system is connected to my old school TV, but not to these modern time interwebs.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  28. Devotional
    Member

    Bernie, you are a legend. What can I say? THANK YOU!

    Posted 1 week ago #
  29. bionaut
    Member

    Thank you Bernie! I keep watching the opening sequence to the start of The Tower. I love it. I may never see this band live, and I am blessed to have such great video and audio coming over the internet to America

    As for the Kiss influence on Motorpsycho, it really jumps out for me in Hey Jane. That "Ooo-ooo, Ooo-ooo, Ooooo" part of the chorus is straight out of the Kiss songbook.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  30. ffbernie
    Member

    awesome...thanks guys

    Posted 1 week ago #

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