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Kingdom of Oblivion

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  • Started 4 months ago by Ozzak
  • Latest reply from Punj Lizard

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  1. andreas
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    @supernaut
    Ah, that is nice to use one’s imagination. It seems that mine is not so in full bloom. I listened to The Hunt once again just for that reason. And I can understand what you are hearing and feeling while listening. But to me it still feels like a MP song and not a kind of Solo career Song. And it is a perfect MP song. That kind of song because -inter alia- I love that band. It is the transfer of music history into their own MP universe. Eclecticism. The positive one.

    The following song "After the Fair" fits perfectly to The Hunt (the most interesting song on the album).

    Posted 2 months ago #
  2. supernaut
    Member

    @andreas
    you might have misunderstood me. I was describing the person which Bent's vocals remind me of, and that person was in a trio, then later had a solo career. And as a few pointed out, yes it is Sting.

    :::

    Some need a few more spins. Underwritten? Aimless? Rushed? I mean if it doesn't move you. it doesn't. If you don't like it, you don't. Totally normal, no argument there. But underwritten and half arsed rushed? Whaaaat? Even the "straight rocker" (again... whaaat?) The Waning is super intricate. Maybe give it a few spins in headphones. Those details and finesses in the composition and production and the love and care for every little note are simply outstandig. Compared to this album, our beloved in nostalgia AADAPs or Blissards feel way more rushed and underwritten to me. Which is not a criticism per se. I like Wearing yr Smell and The Cosmonautic Lurker Thing just as well. But... say... whaaaat? If anything, I'd say it could be critised for being NOT raw and underwritten, or not spontaneous or spaced out jammy enough...

    Maybe some really are just overdosed.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  3. Johnny_Heartfield
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    Really nice diversion from the more dramatic stuff of the "Gullvag" years. Still a little too clean for my taste. Even a little math-rock inspired zappa/vai-style guitar wanking included on "Cosmoctopus Lurker".
    My favourite part is clearly side three - the gloomy Empire's End, the Hunt, the Jansch-inspiret Atet. There are several elephants in the room this time - not only the whiskered one and the one-legged one with(out)the flute. Some obvious references with typically MP style mock-reverence titles like the "Cormorant". Tony Iommi style riffs all over the album. A quiet Roy-Harper vocal melody introducing "Dreamkiller". The folk-inspired or acoustic pieces give a nice contrast and make up for the more streamlined hard rock pieces like "The Waning" - the latter could have been called "After the Gold Rush pts 2a and b" lyricwise. They should have named the album "A little light music" and themselves "Elephant's memory" for this one. Still they're the only ones who do what they do, so no real criticism on my part. I'm really starting to enjoy the album already.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  4. Johnny_Heartfield
    Member

    @ Supernaut: Glad you didn't refer to Phil Collins (shudder...)

    Posted 2 months ago #
  5. Bartok
    Member

    @Johnny great post, I agree

    Posted 2 months ago #
  6. Bartok
    Member

    I was a bit quick in my reaction yesterday, guess I was pretty disappointed. But I do think it’s been a bit too many MP records of late (I could never imagine myself saying this). But the records are feeling a bit claustrophobic, like they need some fresh air. Though this album really does bring some light and air, not so monolithic. But still. I was thinking that bringing Deathprod back could maybe be a good thing, Bent is great, but an outside eye is always good. Not so closed up. Locked up. To let the songs breathe. Ozone. Don’t know.

    And I abs loved that interview w Bent on that jazznytt thing ThorEgil posted in another thread btw. So interesting. More of this, please. It’s important to get this guy talking. About the music

    Posted 2 months ago #
  7. the conscience
    Member

    Being mostly with Supernaut. with the exception of the Sting thing. :D.Motorpsycho 2021 at their best...
    live in present. Don‘t compare. just listen and enjoy all of it. Give it a proper Spin or a few spins before judge. All these details. just wow....magic like the old stuff? We‘ll see...

    Posted 2 months ago #
  8. dongonz
    Member

    Holy shit.. this Lurker. Supreme! I think it killed my speakers though ^^ Anyway... can't get enough of it. Even if I am not into it for years now, the solo comes some way close to Dream Theater

    Posted 2 months ago #
  9. Spacebandit
    Member

    Hei min venn,
    it's interesting to read what you feel about the new albuum. For me - until 2008 at Herzberg - there was just one song - "Wheel"...All things have changed since I listened to them on that gorgeous show @ Forum 2008. And "LLM" is still my fave. But I think this new one will move up to #1. Believe me or just stay...not plain. But I really love the Grateful Dead (being Hardcore Deadhead), those never did anything close to an album ike that. All Dead albums are...live it's better. So this MP album is good. Sting vocals on
    "The Hunt" maybe. The music is Jethro Tull meets the Haze of Colour. Stoner...Psych... Progressive...? All in here. Best MP album ever. Dot. Spacey.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  10. psychonaut
    Member

    https://youtu.be/g-STTYUNp2g

    When a new MP album come out, at first hear, all Psychonauts run to our little MP home.

    We all look at GREAT JOURNALISTS, REWIEVS, OHHH GREAT, 7,5
    6,5
    5,5
    9

    BUAHAHAAAH

    MP, no Rewievs

    MP
    NEVER SAY YES, NOT OR MAYBE LATER THAN FIRST HEAR.

    I'm on fourth hear(very sorry for my english) and GUYS ARE ALIVE ON EVEREST.

    LOVE for tutti voi

    Posted 2 months ago #
  11. Johnny_Heartfield
    Member

    @ Spacebandit: For once I disagree most distinctly - the best MP album is always the next to come! As for the Dead - come on, there is no MP album like "Anthem of the Sun"! Alright, I agree - there is also no Dead album like "Kingom of Oblivion". They're both the only ones who do what they do...

    Posted 2 months ago #
  12. psychonaut
    Member

    Guys,
    This Album starts at minute 10 of song "The Trasmutation of Cosmoctopus Lurker.

    Live
    LIve
    LIVE!!!

    Posted 2 months ago #
  13. JERO
    Member

    Downstairs playing the lp's, and the order of the songs is fixed although you can pick a side 1-4 to put on, but upstairs, playing the cd IN RANDOM ORDER , some fascinating events happened. One morning all the atmospheric and folky stuff followed upon one-another, and it was the new MP album. Then yester-eve all the hardrock stuff was picked out of it and it was another the new MP album. But I know it's good when the earworms start kicking in and I find myself singing Lady May or the reffrain of the title-song. The Cosmoctopus is indeed sensational and could very well be named Larks Tongues in Aspic part 7 (or is it 8), although I cannot experience it as a unity or 'song'. But hey, that crazy spiralling guitar part from a stage will sure be something!

    Posted 2 months ago #
  14. Kid A
    Member

    @Johnny_Heartfield But MP got the better “I know you Rider”

    Posted 2 months ago #
  15. Punj Lizard
    Member

    the solo comes some way close to Dream Theater

    Yeah, this is a real shame as far as I'm concerned. I can't stand those types of solos - all notes and no soul. It's off-putting to hear Snah play like that and making it harder for me to get into the Lurker.

    EDIT: OK, I've listened to this a couple more times and, as stated, the solo comes some way close to DT, but - ever so thankfully - doesn't reach there. I'm finally beginning to open to this track and discover its delights.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  16. Tomcat
    Member

    I liked the album after the first spin, I loved after the third. Each of these songs has a mood, a riff or a surprise that speaks to me. I'd love to see all of these played live! Love the mystyc vibes and darkness of this album, it fits the spirit of these times: Music is such a good transmitter ... and nobody is able to deliver as good as motorpsycho does for almost 30 years now ❤

    What I personally don't like on this album: the extreme effects on the vocals and the metal-soloing by Snah (sorry Hans, I prefer you Neil Young style) Sometimes less is more ...

    How about a spring tour 2022:

    Less is more? More is more!
    "Fever cities, longer stays"
    (Doublenighters to avoid travelling and burning of resources)

    1. "Pandemic night" - KoO+TAIO (N.O.X.!)
    2. "Freedom night" - anything goes!

    Posted 2 months ago #
  17. marc
    Member

    @Tomcat: Great, I like people offering solid solutions to difficult situations

    I second the comments about the guitar solos. Snah is one of the very few guitarists who manages to really tell stories with his soloing - uplifting, creating friction with the harmonies and just making it an additional voice. Reading comparisons to bands like DT, who treat music like a competition of skills, is pretty much the most horrible thought i can think of It also makes the lurker's final part rather difficult for me - live of course it might work as the ultimate madness crescendo.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  18. dongonz
    Member

    Hehehe... don't get me wrong. I can'T listen to the DT Masturbating anymore at all. And as long as it doesn't become the usual way Shah plays solos, what you can say for sure won'T happen, i am fine with it

    Posted 2 months ago #
  19. Johnny_Heartfield
    Member

    @ Johnny_Heartfield: "A little light music" it ain't. Stupid idiot!

    Though based on modernized Sabbath sounds and a little pompous symphonic rock elements with the occasional very slight tendency towards solo drywank (sorry Snah!) - stuff I abhor (not the Sabbath of course) - Motorpsycho take a stylistic pile of shit and turn it into gold on this record. A very grown-up album, extremely sophisticated and very motorpsychedelic, despite all the musical changes over the years. When you get older you obviously lose some of the roughness and mindless energetic drive of adolescent years, but - in this case at least - gain a lot of experience, craft and a little humour and irony hardly found in stone(r)-age youngsters.
    This album is a feast for the ears, and I still talk about the first two sides!

    Have to correct myself again:
    The best Motorpsycho album is always the one you listen to. Period.

    @ Kid A: No!

    Posted 2 months ago #
  20. psychonaut
    Member

    Sunset with the taste and smell of "After the fair".

    Posted 2 months ago #
  21. kjellepelle
    Member

    Klassekampen Musikkekstra 19.4.21

    Posted 2 months ago #
  22. GBD
    Member

    Huh...Tradition strikes again. I was rather lukewarm about the single, and the album after my first listen. But like so many times in the past, this beast of an album has grown on me like a flower in springtime. And now i can't get enough of it. Last year i pledged to shut up and let the next album settle before even thinking of reviewing/rating it. Couldn't quite do that this year, but ïll surely try for their next release.....because the new album is INSANE! Finding myself humming the folky melodies of The Hunt and Lady May, craving the hard hitters of The United Debase, Kingdom of Oblivion, Dreamkiller and The Lurker. Even The Waning grew on me, and ended up packing a powerful punch with the second part attached. And the chorus of At Empire's End is, although somewhat cheesy, still so contagious that it stuck in my head for days.

    My only critique is the production. It is a little "sharp" and can be a bit of a strain on the ears at high volume. But that's a small price to pay.

    Loving it!

    Posted 2 months ago #
  23. Vegard B. Havdal
    Member

    Cheesy because it uses the word love, GBD? Spotify stats show pretty clearly that this is the standout track.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  24. GBD
    Member

    @vegard: Not at all. More like the melody line itself having been used countless times before by other bands. No worries though....the song is great

    Posted 2 months ago #
  25. Aki
    Member

    Personally, I think one of the reasons why this album is so controversial is that it lacks the pop-ness that they have always worn.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  26. ebo
    Member

    That first guitar note after each verse line in United Debased is sooo Mammonumamikoma

    First of all, never judge a Motorpsycho album until you listened to it at least 4 times. Early reviews are worthless as each of their albums demands a lot of attention to fully unveil themselves.

    Same with this one. First listen: A couple of grins and some moments of goosebumps inbetween music which my mind and soul hasn't been able to fully comprehend and digest at first listen.

    After 4 spins: It's still growing. It's as much a MP album as every other album. The title track and United Debased are instant classics. The quieter folk songs like Lady May or The Hunt are simply beautiful. The Lurker is a monster I haven't fully digested yet, but it keeps growing.

    Dreamkiller blew me off my feet right from the start.

    It seems they wanted to keep things more compact this time. Kingdom of Oblivion, Lady May and Dreamkiller leave me wishing they would have explored these songs further; they could easily have been 10min+ epics and I wish they wouldn't stop already where they do; instead, KoO and Lady May fade out suddenly while Dreamkiller also could have developed much further, Intrepid Explorer-style.

    However, I agree with the production critique. Never liked compression, it's one of the music industry's worst habits of the past 20 years, alongside Autotune.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  27. supernaut
    Member

    @Johnny_Heartfield

    Phil Collins? Why would I? It really sounds like Sting singing there to me and I love it. Not that I'm a huge Sting fan. But I like some of The Police. One can respect musicians for what they do and did without really liking it, no? Except maybe for Phil Collins... great drummer in early Genesis, though.

    What I find weird: I really like this new one a lot and listened to it about ten times now. But apart from The Waning chorus I couldn't whistle any song of it when out and about somewhere. Old age showing?

    Posted 1 month ago #
  28. Johnny_Heartfield
    Member

    @ supernaut: Motorpsycho according to Sting - "If I ever lose my faith in you"...

    @ ebo: you're absolutely right - the compression habit is awful, even on this gem.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  29. Punj Lizard
    Member

    I’ve held back a while before sharing my thoughts on this album, simply because, as others have said, it pays to give a new MP album some time to sink in. Furthermore, in this particular case, I really have had trouble making my mind up about it.

    Although it’s been widely reported as a rock album punctuated by some folk(y) tunes, to me it could quite as easily be a folk album punctuated by some rock tunes. So here we are again with another Motorpsycho album that defies pigeonholing, another Motorpsycho album that contains tunes that could be categorized as belonging to various genres – just like Demon Box, Timothy’s Monster, Blissard and more. Moreover, the album, to my ears, definitely does not feel stuck in the same space as the Gullvag trilogy; it sounds like something different, something new to me.

    Prior to the album’s release, and for some while now, I expressed how much I’d like to see Motorpsycho put out something that mixes acoustic folk with electric rock – something along the lines of Led Zeppelin III, After the Goldrush, Rust Never Sleeps, If I Could Only Remember My Name, Déjà Vu – and here we are with Kingdom of Oblivion, which perfectly fulfils that wish. However, I am yet to feel the disparate tracks fit together as a cohesive whole – in my listening there’s still a little dissonance between the Black Box tracks and the Kommun tracks. Slowly, though, they approach each other in the space between my ears and become less and less like two albums mashed together. Gradually, they take on the appearance of one.

    And gradually I become more and more appreciative of each track. Strangely, though, it is the one track I expected to be an immediate winner (The Transmutation of Cosmoctopus Lurker) that has become the last to really grab me. This is probably due to the prog-metal-style soloing and because this is perhaps the track that, to my cloth ears, suffers worst from the lack of dynamics. In fact the lack of dynamics (a subject for which I don’t really have the technical knowledge but which I feel when I listen) is the only issue I have with the album, but it’s a serious issue and I hope they never go that way again.

    As for the soloing, as usual with Snah, even when he plays in the style of another genre, or even another guitarist, it’s just Snah widening his palette and in the end, all I hear is the Snah essence behind it all – the divine Snah Godhead shining through. 😊

    All in all this has been a harder album for me to get into than any of the three previous studio outings, but that’s not a problem, just a challenge and one I’m happy to take on – I mean, who among us wouldn’t be pleased to have to suffer a challenging MP album? 😉

    Favourite tracks (at the moment): Kingdom Of Oblivion; Lady May; At Empire’s End; The Hunt

    Posted 1 month ago #
  30. GBD
    Member

    @ Punj Lizard: I have the same problem with the Lurker. Not because it's a bad song (loving the ideas that are put together), but rather the sound issues that i feel are most prominent on this track. Wanted to show it to a buddy of mine who has a pretty decent sound system, and i was blown away by how murky and (as you said) dynamically void it sounded. Wonder what happened there.

    On the flipside: I think The Hunt is now my new fav. on the album

    Posted 1 month ago #

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