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OT but not really: Spotify

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  • Started 1 month ago by supernaut
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  1. supernaut
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    What do we think of these spotify schemes:

    https://ra.co/news/76439

    Hope enough artists and users pull out now...

    Posted 1 month ago #
  2. Johnny_Heartfield
    Member

    Not very original. EMI invented and produced radar technology and weapons from WW2 on and later became part of Thorn industries. Godspeed You Black Emperor dealt with the various overlappings of music and military industry on Yanqui U.X.O.
    Obviously those companies all turn bad in the long run. Spotify already turned out a rather totalitarian rip-off monster, so this is probably the logically next step.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  3. Punj Lizard
    Member

    Following from Johnny's post ...

    My father worked as a draughtsman for EMI, designing outside broadcast vans and the like. After 25 years his job was discontinued, but the company made him an offer to move onto working on defence contracts. This enabled them to avoid giving him a redundancy payoff, because they had offerred him another position instead. He declined the new position as he refused to work on defence contracts. This is one of the decisions my father took of which I'm most proud.

    Spotify - already a company with highly questionable ethics - will never get my money.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  4. suntripper
    Member

    Good on your dad!

    And blind acceptance is the sign
    Of stupid fools who stand in line

    Posted 1 month ago #
  5. suntripper
    Member

    Obviously, that was a quote from the Sex Pistols' 'E.M.I.' and not in any way a reference to people standing in line for their third (fourth? fifth?) shot of graphene hydroxide.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  6. Johnny_Heartfield
    Member

    @ suntripper: "I won't crew your ship of fools"

    Posted 1 month ago #
  7. supernaut
    Member

    Please don't start this vaccine "discussion" again!

    :::

    I was aware about EMI's shady dealings. But it's 2021 now and this is about spotify. I'm just curious about what customers and artists, especially the politically outspoken ones, will do about it. I brought this topic up elsewhere and it's funny how quickly people started to talk only about the pros and cons of streaming and vinyl buying and totally missed the point. At least this didn't happen here Or let's just bury this topic again. Better no discussion than another one going nowhere.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  8. the conscience
    Member

    "Better no discussion than another one going nowhere"

    The status quo is like it is. We are living in the best world we can live. So shut up, wear masks, wash hands, go v.... asap

    Posted 1 month ago #
  9. suntripper
    Member

    @Johnny: Ha! I think the conscience beat you to that one! See the other thread (you know, that one).

    @supernaut: Don't worry! I'm not going to try to take this thread in that direction! I just can't resist a little bit of fun sometimes!

    As far as Ek is concerned, I'd rather he'd invested in the Arsenal rather than an arsenal. Perhaps he could put a rocket up Martin Ødegaard!

    Seriously, as an Arsenal fan, if I was uncertain about his designs on the club before, what you have revealed would make me completely against. He would not get my money - just as Murdoch does not get my money (no Sky in my house). The decisions we all make as consumers make our world.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  10. Johnny_Heartfield
    Member

    "Never surrender...
    never surrender..."

    But I agree - let sleeping dogs lie! (Can't resist citing song titles, even old MSG ones...)

    Posted 1 month ago #
  11. Norman_Gold
    Member

    Hello again

    Helsing says it will use "world-leading AI technology for defence and national security" to provide "information advantage for democratic governments" and "keep liberal democracies from harm."

    Sounds good, that's what we need! Helsing might become a competitor to Palantir, another great company who's data mining helped to locate the hideout of Osama bin Laden (to eventually kill him).

    I hope that that's ok with you guys, right?

    Posted 1 month ago #
  12. suntripper
    Member

    Democratic governments? Hmm...Do you know of any?

    How much harm has been done spreading 'liberal democracy' around the world?

    So you believe the fairy stories around bin Laden?

    Who are the real victims of data mining, do you think? How is it 'justified'? What is the true objective? Who benefits?

    There's your homework, Norman!

    Posted 1 month ago #
  13. Johnny_Heartfield
    Member

    Van Helsing? Isn't that the guy who used to fight vampires? Now turned to a data vampire himself? Unbelievable...

    On the other hand liberal democracy needs to defend itself, being (cybernetically and ideologically) attacked these days. I recently read Putin fears an EU expansion more than a NATO expansion - soft power rules! Anyway - we should be careful that we do not turn into the people we fight by using their methods.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  14. Norman_Gold
    Member

    suntripper, I'm overstrained by your amazing post! You make the impression of yourself as a highly educated person, a critical mind, a thinking man. Surely you consider yourself an intellectual, correct?

    Johnny_Heartfield:

    I recently read Putin fears an EU expansion more than a NATO expansion

    You recently read that... and it seems that it became your opinion right away as it sounds wonderful for a hippie-esque pacifistic EU-supporter. That's ok. But is it also coherent? Let me make it short: It's rubbish.

    we should be careful that we do not turn into the people we fight by using their methods.

    Careful, indeed. Even if they have missiles, bombers, cyber attacks, guns, tanks, - we should be gentle, regardful, practising Yoga, eating vegan. Again: Logic?

    And who are "the people we fight"? Is there a war going on? Did I miss something? What have you read?

    Posted 1 month ago #
  15. suntripper
    Member

    @Norman: What an unpleasant little post! I simply sought to tease you, in good humour, with a few questions. Why did my post touch a nerve? Rather than engage in an interesting discussion, you just come back with the ad hominem attack. What do you hope to achieve with this style of yours?

    Posted 1 month ago #
  16. Norman_Gold
    Member

    suntripper, look at your dubious post again. Then, read this:

    What an unpleasant little post! ... Rather than engage in an interesting discussion ... What do you hope to achieve with this style of yours?

    You may be trapped in a loop now.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  17. Johnny_Heartfield
    Member

    Sad ending of another thread. One too many intolerant posts.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  18. suntripper
    Member

    To return to the theme of the thread - what happens with the likes of Spotify and EMI, diversifications, mergers, big fish eats little fish, the questionable morality behind the actions of the big corporations and how easily we are all caught up in this web - I present some relevant and, I hope, interesting viewing.

    First, a quick 2 minutes on BlackRock:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4foal20UTA

    Now, a deeper dive - a 1 hour film called 'Monopoly - Who Owns the World?' What follows is someone else's summary.

    A handful of mega corporations — private investment companies — dominate every
    aspect of our lives; everything we eat, drink, wear or use in one way or another. These
    investment firms are so enormous, they control the money flow worldwide

    While there appear to be hundreds of competing brands on the market, like Russian
    nesting dolls, larger parent companies own multiple smaller brands. In reality, all
    packaged food brands, for example, are owned by a dozen or so larger parent companies

    These parent companies, in turn, are owned by shareholders, and the largest
    shareholders are the same in all of them: Vanguard and Blackrock

    No matter what industry you look at, the top shareholders, and therefore decision
    makers, are the same: Vanguard, Blackrock, State Street and/or Berkshire Hathaway. In
    virtually every major company, you find these names among the top 10 institutional
    investors

    These major investment firms are in turn owned by their own set of shareholders. One of
    the most amazing things about this scheme is that the institutional investors also own
    each other. They’re all shareholders in each other’s companies. At the very top are
    Vanguard and Blackrock. Blackrock’s largest shareholder is Vanguard, which does not
    disclose the identity of its shareholders due to its unique structure

    Here's the link:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNg3Vnfu4Pk

    Posted 1 month ago #
  19. Johnny_Heartfield
    Member

    @ suntripper: Thanx for returning to the original topic!

    Btw.: The Vanguard record label has nothing to do with the Vanguard investment group, god bless 'em. Not that anybody drew that conclusion here - but still: some record companies (small ones mostly) stay clean. Would have been funny though if the Vanguard Group started with Country Joe McDonald ;-). Let's hear it for the good guys!

    Posted 1 month ago #
  20. Norman_Gold
    Member

    Hey suntripper, and by the way:

    So you believe the fairy stories around bin Laden?

    There's your homework, Norman!

    Imagine I would write: "How naive you are! Back to school with you, suntripper!" And following, upon your reaction:

    I simply sought to tease you, in good humour. Why did my post touch a nerve? Rather than engage in an interesting discussion, you just come back with the ad hominem attack. What do you hope to achieve with this style of yours?

    See? We reap what we sow.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  21. suntripper
    Member

    And as for 'Sir' Tony Blair...? Well, maybe it's best said with a Gibson ES-295...

    https://youtu.be/g5pfhp7060U?t=2552

    Posted 1 week ago #

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