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Song of the Month, April: Little Lucid Moments

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  • Started 12 years ago by TraktorBass
  • Latest reply from Krist Rampage
  1. TraktorBass
    Member

    All right. The last thread was a primer, and as Nothing to Say apparently was too light, for the second installment we'll dive headfirst into the 21 minute mindfuck that is LLM.

    Lyrics: http://motorpsycho.fix.no/comeonin/oldforums/read.php?1,49210

    I love this song, as do many of you, and the lyrics especially. If Sideway Spiral was the initial, faint vibrations of a psychedelic experience, LLM is the thumbprint that rockets you into another dimension.

    The song reads like a peaking trip report, but psychedelic imagery and soundscapes set aside, it could easily be a sober story of enlightenment and introspective exploration. Coming to terms with the world, the pointlessness of modern society, embracing existentialism. Going from the calm almost stale initial state into overdrive (a hoof to the head), being torn apart and put together (hallucifuge) at the end resembles very much some sort of rite of passage, a coming of age.

    If you want to read it autobiographically as I initially interpreted it, Bent is feeling that the band has gone stale and monotonous (lawned) but is kicked back into overdrive by Kenneth (a hoof to the head). Kenneth is the chaos added to the mix, stirring up a whirlwind, forcing the band to rethink its approach to making music. Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but I guess if Black Hole/Blank Canvas is a reference to Geb leaving I could be onto something.

    Sorry, it's hard to put this into words. Stoner logics (I'm sober at any rate) abound I'm sure. I'll probably spend all too much time thinking about the lyrics and post an update.

    In the meantime, I would love it if the rest of you shared your thoughts.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. supernaut
    Member

    wow I never read this into it. But it really makes sense. Gives quite an optimistic view onto the future of motorpsychedelica.

    This also means I got nothing to add.

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  3. mark de klerk
    Member

    Nice song-report!!! To me the lyrics show a mp that's a bit tired and seek somekind of relive in their expressions.To me there is a red line in the whole mp collection.Indeed these times show more and more that humnanity is incapable of showing the right guide to live.It is said that we don't have the right ability to steer ourselfs into the right direction wich is pretty much the reason of all the misery we go trough.Goverments are incapable of comming up with proper awnsers, all the ways we have tried to make this place a better place have failed while this world suffers more and more.Do our nation has send al lot of money to africa for food and medications it has not make any difference, or worse, it is proved that starvation and hunger victims have increased and war still rages on.It is pure evidence that we humans don't have the ability to rule this world by ourselfs.So definitley yes, we need someone to show us the way, to guide us along, someone who's been there and knows the lines.

    Question is ....who is this guide? For me it is crystal clear, i just wish everyone would feel the same.

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  4. TraktorBass
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    @supernaut: I bet you have lots of thoughts around it that you could share

    @mark de klerk: Completely agree. Who is the guide (for you)?

    I would guess MP has been searching for meaning through psychedelics, and alot of people seem to find comfort and balance through the unifying experiences provided therein. Others through religion. I can't see this in MP, what with Ãœberwagner and Walking with J for example.

    At any rate, something abviously needs to kick western culture onto the right track again.. Leave the greedy selfish hands of capitalist behind, give science and reason a chance to guide the masses instead of, well, you know. Fairy tales.

    edit: If any of you have read Star Maker by Olaf Stapledon, he talks alot about the spiritual crisis that seem to haunt technologically advancing societies. I see a parallell here. Think Bent is into sci-fi?

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  5. supernaut
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    I seldomly interpret lyrics, so... unless it strikes me really hard. But your analysis is really sharp. So I couldn't get that one outta my head now anyway.
    Btw what makes you so sure Bent wrote all the lyrics?

    (I should've asked him in my dream last night. Yep I did dream meeting them. Jeez... and I also dreamt I was involved in the TV show Lost but it became all real and I had to calm down Desmond who was about to lose his marbles and suddenly there were zombie dogs and all...)

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  6. TvdR
    Member

    Great choice for the song of the month. My hopes were up after "Black Hole/Blank Canvas", but after that monolith hit, my faith in Motorpsycho being truly the only band that matters for me, was completely restored.

    The song for me stands for getting bogged down in old ways, breaking free of the strains of tradition and, ultimately reinvention end reinvigoration. It starts the whole segue of the album, right up to "And finally it's coming together!" in 'The Alchemyst'.

    Metaphysical connotations? Not for me. Not with this one, anyway. Now 'Plan #1' for instance... "And He made you for a purpose, right?" "Yeah." "And He has a plan for you, right?" "Uhuh." "Plan #1..."

    Greets,

    Thomas

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. supernaut
    Member

    Ah here's one though:

    I favoured this...

    "im here to steal your heart, add measures to your fear
    to make you so confused that everything becomes clear
    (...)
    I'm the whirlwind that you reap
    having sown the wind I'll wake you from your sleep
    I am chaos I combust
    to leave your pure enlightened mind fucked in the dust"

    ...the moment I heard it. By picking it out of context: these verses struck me as a means to shake one's foundations, precognitions and solid imageries and beliefs upon everything one defines. The writer/singer thrashes those of the listener to shambles. And trying to make something out through the dust and smoke we hopefully come to understand that a "truth" doesn't exist. But that's exactly what truth is.

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  8. TraktorBass
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    @supernaut: True, I have no idea if Bent wrote it, I just assumed I guess.

    @TvdR: Great way to put it. I've never looked at the lyrics on the album as a whole, perhaps I should!

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  9. supernaut
    Member

    I imagine Bent and Snah sing what they wrote respectively...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. supernaut
    Member

    I had to edit my posting about that lyrics part due to strikingly bad english. Hope it makes sense now.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. mark de klerk
    Member

    @TB.good question.I have my theories about this guide wich might be different then other peeps have because it's my thoughts.It is said a guide must be led by god.Since it has to be a human too the process of having contact with god is interesting.Some sources could be a well from wich depths pure water comes.Then again, could the call of the guide fail? Would god let his guide fail? I could talk for hours but mainly comes down to that my guide must be formaliar with it.

    yeyeyeye, cut and paste art about this used to be my fav. i made one of stg too.

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  12. mark de klerk
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    I agree there is somewhat of a destructive/re-constructive message-line that "a hoof to the head" contains.Reminds me a bit of a phrase of "walking with J" (what is the book you read compared to what he said).It points out (for me) to the issue of my struggle with this book i had a some time ago wich is called :(zen, and the art of motorcycle maintenance).Just like the two lines i see troughout the mp collection, songs like "ocean in her eye" and "hey jane" are black and white to me like V.S and ever9.You possibly speak of dark and light songs between the twilight.

    Spiritual poverty and so called advanced societies goes hand in hand if you look it up in some older books.In fact, that is where all trouble started, assuming old babylon was the first society that collapsed for this reason.I think we are unique in this universe and we have no furhter message to other allienated life in space.I think it is pretty weird that we humans don't seem to understand the unique position we have with this earth in space.It's not like we see any other planet that ressembles life like ours near the planet we live and yet we seem to enjoi ourselfs with answers like there used to be water on mars.Mainly this is what it's all about, the focus of humanity on something totally irrelevant.With all these problems we face on our own planet: wars, greed, poverty, etc...it is about time we start focussing on things that do matter and we definitely need to focus on the right sort of guidence but most people dont care because they sit right with money or power or have fears of change.
    To me, it doesn''t impresses me that much: whole society getting more and more advanced.Most of things that get invented are not really that bright and i assume that all our knowledge comes from the gods.We just seem to be using our knowledge for our own purposes.Ego is the living planet.

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  13. TraktorBass
    Member

    @mark: True words. Society is on the totally wrong track. Success today is material goods, 15 minutes on TV. Not understanding, compassion, caring for others and being mindful of your environment. People just sit on their asses all week doing pointless jobs that exist only to keep this wasteful, shallow culture of mass spending afloat.

    Suicide rates, depression, cancer, alcohol and hard drug abuse. Riding around in metal boxes, living in concrete boxes, food comes from paper boxes and plastic bags. No wonder you get down in the dumps.

    Countless people dying everyday because some greedy, careless fucks are stealing their food and their water, giving them nothing in return. Creationism on the rise, religion fighting science and reason, telling fairy tales to lull people in. Don't break out, conform, conform, conform. Cut your hair short and buy those Levi's. Wear a shirt to work. Conformity is absolute if it were up to some.

    We have a pretty wild communications network with both stationary and mobile devices capable of sharing information at low costs around the globe, and what do we use it for? Ring tones and pornography. Yeah. Go humanity.

    It's true, we do need someone to kick our asses into place.

    'The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom.' ~Isaac Asimov

    We'll kill ourselves with our technology.

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  14. mark de klerk
    Member

    Thx for your reply.I was thinking what a right respons might be to your awnser.My opinion is that music must be a way to reach out to people and show them an alternative way, maybe create an movement with music, a movement with a statement wich is free to pick up for anyone and learn something about it.I think MP has done a great job already and reaching out to more people with this statement might lit more fires.I would be great to see MP do full football stadiums and have their own empire from wich everything blooms, they just might turn the odds and show all other bands, people, anyone that music and these political ideas come together wich might inspire the right persons on the right places to react and join the bands ideals and direction.It's a dream, i know, but hey i am a dreamer and we all need a dream to live for.
    Personally this goal ,achievement, this idea might be the real crown on MP anniversary.To become big and famous and have influence in a positive matter with an open mind for other psychonauts to join in and share thoughts,

    have to go now.
    cheers fools!!!!!!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  15. TvdR
    Member

    @ Mark: "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance"! Yippee! One of the most difficult but also most cathartic reads I've ever had! Took me five years to read it from beginning to end (maybe a comment on my dimwittedness, but hey...) Contact me if you want to talk about it (you still have my e-mail-address?). Also, I have a guidebook to "Zen..." which might be helpful.

    Greetings,

    Thomas

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  16. mark de klerk
    Member

    @Thomas: great reply!!! Now about this book Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance.It wasn't one of the many great books i have read in my life so far.My father was adviced by a social worker somewhere in the 90's to read it.It has been qualified as a highly intelligence guide to the insights of life.For me it is just a book about someone loosing his head, his mind and in the end, very sadly, he loses his son.Maybe i didn't read it that good because i've only read it once but i have to be honest that this book scared me and eversince the fear had become a drive in my life, prayed many times such drama would not happen with to me,maybe that's where i made the big mistake.Someone used to quote to me from this book as it contained wisdom to overcome lifes struggle to this particular person.But to me the whole story of someones surch to find piece of mind seemed totally wrong.I don't why.You could say that i am totally wrong here, and maybe you are right but fear had got to me already.Maybe i'd recognized something in it, maybe i just flipped for nothing.Fact is that when one of my friends got killed it immediately reminded me of this book.I don't know thomas, maybe you can help out here to prove me wrong.But sadly the only positivety i coulod learn from it is to let it on the shelf....not touched.

    I am sure your experience with this book must have been less dramatic, good for you, i wouldnot want you to go trough fear like me.You can email me anytime, i'll reply.It took you 5 years to get trough it?? Damn, that's really good.I didn't knew a zen guidebook existed.Thx for the advice, you can send me email to lisa_mark_12@hotmail.com.

    greets mark.

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  17. TvdR
    Member

    @ mark: Bad luck you have such unpleasant connotations with this book. I can imagine that you look at it that way. I am no stranger to fear and to coming apart at the seams myself sometimes, but that book never points me back to that. I do not interpret it as an answer to life's questions though, and I abhor the fact that they lump this book in with all the New Age claptrap, since this book is founded on ancient Greek rational philosophy, not ancient Greek auguring of birds or reading a cow's intestines to see into the future. It took me five years to finish it, yes, but I read a lot of books in between. I just started with it, couldn't read it through, put it away and started again months later. I got it for my 16th birthday (my teacher in Dutch Literature recommended it to me) and finally finished it weeks after my 21st. The only book that takes me longer is Joyce's 'Ulysses', started reading it for the first time somehwere in my twenties, now ten years ago. But then again, to paraphrase Joyce, it took him twenty years to complete this book, so people might as well take twenty years to read it. Oh well, I'm at the halfway point of the time period, only one third through the book and people tell me the hardest part is the last chapter...

    "Nothing comes from judgement... The soul is always free."
    Motorpsycho 'Bonny Lee'

    Greets,

    Thomas

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  18. mark de klerk
    Member

    @thomas: great reply!! Good to see you share thoughts about the subject.I surely admire the way you get yout kicks from reading books.The last books i read was the da vinci code wich did not impress me that much.Best book i have read so far must be the count of montecristo by dumas.Offcourse Joseph Campbell is a good one too.Nowadays i don't spend time anymore reading books but the bible wich i love to study.

    Back to the subject.I think the way TB reported this song is quite brillant.Civilizations always fall due to reasons as TB said it.Nothing new there.Anyone formiliar with the legend about this city that got destroyed in 607 b.c?
    It is written that within "7 times" this city should be rebuild crushing all other empires.Fact is that some think these so called 7 times represent 2525 years wich means that in the year 1914 the one that is justified to lead and destoy all other empires, sat on the throne and gave final judgement the world.Devil got trown out of heaven in 1914 where j.c seated on gods throne giving a short period of time to the devil on earth before final judgement.What happend in 1914? First worldwar etc..etc..theres loads of evidences the bible gives that points out to this particular year with importance not knowing what might happend but in the year 607 b.c.fact is that since 1914 the world have seen drama we never have seen before...atomic bombs, world wars, absurd numbers of victims of all kinds of evil like hunger,deseases, world tragedys like tsunamis, eathquakes etc...millions of people died since 1914 in ways of drama we have never seen before.All kinds of prove humanity isn't capable of ruling this world without guidance of somekind of wisdom from an other source then the human brain.But to come to short terms...it is a process troughout history wich shows the struggle of humanity with various examples of faillures.

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  19. TraktorBass
    Member

    @mark: While I don't put much faith in the Bible or other prophecies, it's an interesting idea. No doubt we need something to guide us in the right direction!

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  20. oh, i doubt that. even it would be very simple. but ok, a good friend is always something like a guide. or all people, ideas, reactions on sthg. that have or had an effect on you. but that is different from following someones ideas, it is more like a river that finds its way wherever it floats.

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  21. TraktorBass
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    Ok, so you don't think we need something to guide us? Just, come what may?

    edit: Sorry, I think I misunderstood. You're saying that we should come together as a whole? Unite?

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  22. supernaut
    Member

    @Traktor, why not put faith in the Bible? It's a whole lotta smart stuff (and some fairytelling). I'm not asking you about religion and belief, and let's forget christian history and all blahblah. But as the ancient tome of philosophy and insight into the human soul, it sure is interesting. We're all deeply influenced by it, believers and nonsuch. Be it on personal purpose or by accident while living in our societies which are undeniably based on its values.

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  23. TraktorBass
    Member

    @supernaut: I'm not so sure about the bible being a tome of insight into the human soul. It's a tome of insight into a jealous deity, and human suffering. There are a lot of debatable morals and ethics in there that I wouldn't stand by.

    I don't think we should put such importance into a book written several centuries ago, and I absolutely don't think we should use it as a guide to our modern society. It has changed so much since then.

    But of course, the bible and christianitys impact on western society is immeasurable, and a great deal of our cultures (both good and bad) values stem from it. But I think, as science and reason has proven its merits time and time again, we should put the ancient religions behind us and focus on what is proveable and useful for us as a society, and as a species. Move on, so to speak.

    If we -should- look to old beliefs I think we should look to the natural religions, the pantheistic ones, and get back in touch with nature and our planet. Restore the balance we once had. Stop abusing it and draining its resources. We will kill ourselves that way.

    No, I think we need to unite as a people, put behind us the old superstitions and let free thought, science and reason help us help ourselves.

    edit: I'm not looking to offend anyone, I have nothing against your beliefs or your values, I'm merely writing down my thoughts

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  24. mark de klerk
    Member

    (let me switch this song first, it's kinda hard doing this while listening to mobb deep)

    @supernaut: i agree with you.The book shows many examples of humans inner/struggling while they're trying to repsond to gods call.And has a great historically value.

    @TB even do you might not carry faith or have believes in this book you surely agree this book was written with a purpose, do you? I even had a theory i thought of myself about King Arthur.Most myths tell you King Arthur was desperately looking for the holy grail while i think in reality King Arthur was looking for the holy scrolls that were left over during history and he wanted to collect them.I also think he had a lot of writers in Camelot that needed the study the orginality and quality of the scrolls and maybe re-write/translate some of the stories.May sound a bit silly but to me King Arthur was the one who maybe, amd i say again, maybe was the last one who had hand in the structure and index of this book we call the Bible.Then again, it may be another scrammbled eggs story of me.

    have to go, i'll have to come back to the subject later.

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  25. supernaut
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    When I'm speaking of the bible's value, then not as a believer. I'm an atheist. But to wipe it off just because of personal disbelief, is a silly thing to do. The bible (as any other ancient scrolls) contains lots of timeless wisdom. Our "modern" times are in need of wisdom and values. Call it deity, I don't care. Did Jesus really live? I don't care. Nor do I care about medieval witchburning or the pope's recipe against AIDS. That's the historical crap which doesn't affect my thinking. And to me therein lies no contradiction to science and reason. That's other people's problem through the centuries and is also too much of a big-picture thing for me to discuss here properly.

    Or you can also turn to Zarathustra or the greek philosophers. Why aren't those useful anymore? Because they didn't publish on the internet? What has changed? Western mankind took a thousand steps back in the medival times. We here are only making ground again.

    How are the pantheistic religions more nature oriented than christianity? Does the bible tell mankind to destroy God's creation? One should be careful not to mix the facts only because of all the stupid things done and said by dumb or reckless people in the name of that book. Or because other philosophies kinda sound cooler, for that matter.

    Uniting by leaving all old beliefs and philosophies behind because we've "moved on"? Who is "we" then? And where do "we" move to? What if there are different ways to go? Who are we to talk down cultural merits and religions? To me this is everything else but free thought.

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  26. supernaut
    Member

    btw I still think LLM only deals with the band's recent biography. We're way out now.

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  27. mark de klerk
    Member

    It is true! Most religions/wisdoms/churches have lost their value due to the false interpretations of many so called profets/popes leaving loads of people uneducated in their hopes and thoughts, people need to be educated about wisdom/religion/word of god, the time is right to revieuw the way we worship our god(s).Most of us blame the gods for all bad luck/pain/sorrow/death and deseases while in reality the bible teaches us about the love of god and the plan god has with humanity.It is true most of us don't really know god or jesus or god's way with people, we are easily manipulated and desperate to find the anwsers to our questions wich makes us an easy target for false religions.Is is true that we don't understand the love of god, we understand the life of sin that has been our punishment from the day humans have decided to live without the lessons of the love of our god.People are so lost the even believe that they don't have a god and think that god doesn't exist/lives, this is how an anti-god works with our minds, leaving humanity lonely, at war while we bless our weapons, manipulating our hearts and minds to believe that life is not precious.Well.....i say...go to war..fight...and you'll see how precious your life is and how much you love the sunlight to shine in your eyes and to feel the value of marriage and the true worship of a god, that is what we live for.That is our reason to live.

    Back to LLM.Now..isn't it a bit strange motorpsycho writes a song like this?.What happend with flick of the wrist, psychonaut, vortex surfer..etc.? Why does MP sing about "needing a guide", "a ghosttown now" even about someone whos been there and learned those lines.Why do they care? Why don't they just sing about love, getting stoned, having fun...drinking beer...girls and making money?
    To me there is a line in their colection and the first time i thought of this is when i went back to songs like KSD (TM), Un chien déspace, ozone, mbf, etc...and i can se some ressemblence in those songs.It's all about a person MP dreams of ,wishes to meet, dying to know of etc.Before the flood is a good example of the situation on earth and the mentality of people like in the times of noach maybe when people lived under similar circumstances while they are warned to change their roles.To me it is the same time again, life on earth gets fucked, people live and heard of the dangers we are threaten by while they live on not changing too much to turn the odds of devastation of our live.Believe me, if god does not exist we are doomed because all we know is how to destroy things and dictate others.
    LLM to me is a call to everyone who feels responsible to act and change their role and show others the meanings of true guidance, wich by the way like the song is a brillant idea.

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  28. mark de klerk
    Member

    I'd like to add a little phrase 'bout (eastern) philosophy here.While studying some of these wisdoms years ago (Lao tse, tao te tjing) i'd come to the conclusion this path of enlightment didn't had those straight guiding lines 'bout how to overcome and live with struggles of life but to set with it in self-flagellation.Other philosophys just study the origin of things ,or what i reject, the beauty of things, the value of things etc...again without comming clear with proper awnsers like most philosophers had come to the point of dropping all knowledge just to clear thoughts of the mess they had got in.Manknd should not ask himself who made what for what purpose but i guess it's just part ouf our education to ask ourself these kinds of questions wich doesn't mean the awnsers will leave us satisfied, every awnsers lead to another question and our thirst for knowledge will never end.
    You can say most religions have similar guidance, they do, due to different cultures and rituals some have changed value and rules wich aren't really that religious anymore same as the political role some of our religious leaders show us.As far as i know there is only one person who'd came up with a complete guidance with rules that really show us how to live with religion.Then again, most of the people just reject this guidance because they hadn't have the proper education to understand it.LLM shows there's still a hollow dimension we live in, we haven't been educated that much to live with a guidance that has all the propers awnsers while we deserve to live in peace and harmony with the world/universe.

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  29. TraktorBass
    Member

    Back from a few days travelling here, haven't had internet access. Good to see that the thread is going strong

    Well, to comment on my last post, super and mark, I never meant that the Bible doesn't contain any wisdom, nor that it tells us to burn down the woods, I merely meant to say that we should take the Bible as any other ancient text. Not put it on some pedestal.

    And by the pantheistic religions being closer to nature, I wanted to say that I think we need to get back in touch with nature (not talking about mysticism and shamans), the environment is obviously suffering from our lack of respect for it. That's all

    I'll have to read through the thread again later if I'm gonna contribute anything of value. Now I need some rest, sorry!

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  30. mark de klerk
    Member

    @TB you're right 'bout getting back in harmony with nature, but if you study this book you will come to the conclusion god has a plan with humanity due to his everlasting love and to live in harmony with nature is just a part of this plan.In my opinion the bible is a gift from god to teach us about his love.Most of us don'tm understand this and keep their judgements towards god like the anti-god wants us to do.It is true that this world/humanity has come to the point where there are all kinds of dangers that are threatening us, no matter what we want to do, we will never be able to control this world or make it a better place without the love and worship of god.Do at this moment the needs and intentions of the people are towards " making this place a better place" the responsibility has gone sky high and question is if we succeed by ourselfs to continue to carry this responsibility.Various examples have shown us that no EU, no gouverment or other nation have ever succeed in creating peace on earth.So while i put my faith in the promise of god i don't have high expectations of most political leadership.Comming back to your point of view, offcourse you got it right, we need to get in harmony with nature etc...but do you have such faith in people? Do you think that we humans are capable of showing respect to our environment? Do you think humans will ever respect an other without dictating an other? Personally, i don't share any kind of view of guidance by humans.There is no wisdom to be found in our hearts, minds or the path we walk, we all should be greatfull for the love of god because without this kind of guidance we'll never make it.

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