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Totally obvious solution:
The question/part "what would you do?" has been posed on the recording. Once. That's enough. The live audience has to fill in the gap by thinking "yep… what would I do?" in a multidimensionally layered state of awareness.
Why not amassing complicated chord structures for the sake of itself? Where's the harm? And does it (and if so, how?) stand in the way of an emotional impact? I'd say it doesn't.
There's highly complex music by Tool which moves me, and there's the same kind by Dream Theater which bores the hell out of me. Rush fall inbetween those two for me.
Through The Veil, Mutiny and Ship Of Fools are madly complicated and get me emotionally. Just as The Nerve Tattoo or Starmelt do. I think it's the attitude and the panache in the playing, not the composition. Meaning MP probably could turn a sterile Dream Theater song into a bodyshaking tearjerker just by playing it without any rearranging at all.
I'm with pfnuesel there, except for other albums besides The Tower cross that line, too. But that's totally ok. They're a band that loves to play out, due to their love for all kinds of music. You can't and shouldn't always curb your playing skills, where would be the fun in that? And how would you grow and explore new forms of expression if you did?
btw going back to Rush's sense of humour, isn't this just brilliant?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i2ZbJnkFEY&ab_channel=afterdf
Dudes! Chill! A little detour has been taken beyond MP worshipping. I'm also happy not to have these "discussions" in here – since they rarely go anywhere – but there's also no need to belittle those who sometimes share a thought or two. I'm even a little surprised that it didn't happen (more) around The Tower's release considering its lyrical content. Quite the politically outspoken album for MP standards, no?
But anyway: Motorpsycho Yay! Rush Yayish! Interwebs Yayishish!
I'm not so sure that greediness and selfishness are the main sources of the issues at hand. Every one has the potential for kindness and every one does kind and non selfish things. I mean everyone. Even the worst crook or fascist or banker loves his/her dog, kids, spouse, mommy and daddy. The problems are rather indifference and/or ignorance on purpose towards the bigger picture, the larger scale. "What I am to do? Why is that my problem? They (whoever that is) all screw us (whoever that is). Politicians do what they want anyway." and so forth.
Considering we live in a time in which we have access to more information than ever, I'm most worried about the rising attitude towards it. Information becomes more and more doubted or second guessed by default. Now that's no bad thing, we have to be sceptical. But if whole groups condemn any info they don't like as lies coming from one big corporate body with one big agenda, then that's nothing but an excuse to put any individual responsibility aside. It's the easy way out by – as a bonus – presenting oneself as a well informed, independently thinking and critical individual. And this makes me sick.
As soon as the drums set in, Barleycorn feels Yesish but the low acoustic parts feel early Genesisish as in their pastoral Trespass/Nursery Cryme era.
TAF
Quote:4:24 onwards is pure KC to my ears, particularly the breakdowns at 4:49, 5:17 and 6:10, and would fit really nicely as a "Lark's Tongues in Aspic, part V"Absolutely!
basically what Johnny & Punj wrote
I'm aware of Ayn's backstory and origins and how they might have let her to her conclusions and views and those are opinions I don't share. I'd critize not so much her but the neoliberalists her "philosophy" (which to my understanding pretty much promotes the idea of superiority of the individual) spawned and their take on the world. And they ARE wrong and that is not my opinion but a fact. Period. Scientifically proven by the dark time we live in thanks to them.
Do I feel superior? Well I consider myself having evolved further than neoliberalists. By putting down my one statement above as nothing but a typical rambling of a member of some brainwashed homogenous group who naturally thinks so and such, aren't you putting yourself a little bit above others?
Anyways, I'd rather have this topic go back to its original intention…
also kinda interesting: in a late interview Geddy Lee stated that they don't see themselves as a prog band despite all the complex arranging and skillful playing, but rather in the tradition of The Who and Yardbirds and the like. I suggest to lend an ear to their cover album "Feedback" from 2005ish where they prove that, playing their old favourites from adolescent years. There's The Who, Clapton, Buffalo Springfield and the like.
That polyrhythmic part in Mutiny has more in common with Yes' Changes I'd say: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6jAMwK-4QU&ab_channel=vzqk50HD
wow! Absolutely! I never realized that LLM connection
@Punj
yeah we better ignore that Ayn rand stuff. Peart distanced himself later on as an adult. The lyrics to "Anthem" are just wrong. Some lyrics are just too – how I do I put this – stereotypey? And quite unpersonal (if that's an english word), more like commentaries and observations, which is no bad thing at all, of course, but for me also lacking something somewhat because of this. Of course that changed a lot after his personal life's tragedies in 97. I've only seen them once a few years ago on the Time Machine tour. What I admire about them is their sticking together through 40 years and still be best friends. That IS an achievement! And Geddy is somewhat influential to me since I play Rick bass and Moog Taurus meself, and then you can't go around him. I even have a Rush songbook for bass, but… ehm… phew 8O
btw I don't consider myself as a Rush fan, compared to their quite nutty hardcore following. "Best band ever! Best guitarist ever! Best drummer ever! Best lyrics ever!" Especially the last one there I find quite debatable… Anyways I like the 1st album, Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures. On some others like Signals, Grace Under Pressure and all the albums from the 90s till Clockwork there's briiliant but also quite cheesy stuff. I rather watch their live DVDs than listen to the records because they ARE amazing live and only then and there I eventually found out about their sense of humour. Lifeson cracks me up.
But don't get me started on their mid to late 80s phase.
Just for the record (ha!): The new album was recorded in the vicinity of Rockfield Studios where Rush made A farewell to Kings in '77 which featured Closer to the Heart.
Now this might be a stretch but I read about a chord Alex Lifeson loves to use. For example he uses it as the first guitar strum on the album Hemispheres and it's quite similar to the short arpeggio in Feedtime just before the vocal sets in. And since it's not an every day rock formula chord…
Besides that I guess it's more of an overall influence like many others. Hitting the bass hard in the mid to upper register also comes from Entwistle, Butler and Chris Squire. Classic rockers who liked to play upfront. I can't think of a specific Rush lick or riff popping up in Motorpsycho as much as some Sabbath stuff for example.
Keep on dorkin'! :lol:
