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Absolutely with you. I love the classic prog, especially Yes, but I'm also partial to intelligent, well made hard rock, with that raw emotion.
While N.O.X. blew me away, it's sitting on the shelf because I don't want to overlisten to it. I'm hoping for more-meat-and-two-veg (with apologies to veggies!) like Child of the Future (perhaps the last time they delivered what we're talking about on record – and, by the way, where's that CD?!).
Perhaps you are correct and the authors of the Corman-Drosten Review have it wrong. The rebuttal you cite appears, on a superficial reading, quite persuasive. Really, though, you (I presume) and I (definitely) would struggle to be sure who is correct. This is why I say that I could be wrong in listening to scientists and doctors warning about aspects of this crisis we are passing through.
However, if the authors of this report are not sufficiently highly or specifically qualified, would you pay attention to the Nobel Prize-winning inventor of the PCR 'test' himself? (See post to come.)
Beyond the authors of this report, there are many, many more scientists and doctors trying to warn. Of course, they don't all say the same thing, because there is no such thing as 'the science'. Science is never 'settled'. In case you worry that they are not sufficiently highly or specifically qualified, be assured that there are molecular biologists among them.
As a layman, trying to weigh up what different groups of scientists and doctors are telling me, I have on the one hand the 'trusted' experts (the only ones most people get to hear from), who have driven through the policies on lockdowns that have caused untold damage, and who, it appears, might have serious conflicts of interest, while on the other hand I have the other experts (who you don't see on your TV or read about in your papers), who are being censored, banned, smeared, fired and who are losing their careers. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose. They are absolutely passionate about many things, but, perhaps most of all, about the possible disastrous long-term consequences of these new, experimental vaccines. (Please note: not vaccines in general. Please also note: long-term consequencees as opposed to immediate side-effects.)
Anybody not rushing out to get one of these experimental vaccines (the trials aren't finished yet) – instead preferring to ascertain exactly what they are signing up for – would do well to research pathogenic priming and cytokine storm.
If the warnings are correct, next winter could make what we have seen so far look like a tea party. This will be because of the experimental vaccines (but it will be blamed on new variants or viruses).
If you decide to get the jabs (now and every year for ever more), good luck to you. Just be sure you are giving your informed consent.
@Punj Lizard
Having never been an 'anti-vaxxer', I am not familiar with Arvay!
Thanks again for being open to an intelligent, level-headed exploration of what flows
from Bent's intentions. I really appreciate it. I'm guessing a few quiet – perhaps
intimidated – lurkers might do too
I note you say you are not a fan of Big Pharma. I'm sure you have a good reason for that
stance. With my parents' backgrounds in dentistry and pharmacology, we pretty much
accepted the whole world of allopathic nedicine, trusting that all due care and
diligence was exercised. It was only after pharmaceutical drugs wreaked devastation in
the family, not once but twice, that we took a deep dive into, for example, how drugs are
researched, trialled and brought to market, 'peer review' and medical journals. What we
found absolutely shocked us. Perhaps you know the sort of thing?
You touch on the question of treatments and cures for COVID-19. Knowing what you know,
would you expect the pharmaceutical industry to allow cheap, out-of-patent, generic drugs
(with a long history of being safe) to be used on COVID-19 patients, when enormous sums
of money could be made with some other approach?
Doubtless you are aware of the questions being raised in the UK over the handing out of
contracts? Do you not wonder whether this might just be the tip of the iceberg?
Given your mistrust (if I am correct in using that term) of Big Pharma, if you
found that all the 'trusted' experts driving forward policy on the devastating lockdowns,
the roll-out of vaccines, etc., had deep links with the pharmaceutical industry,
wouldn't that make you just a tiny bit sceptical?
@Punj Lizard:
So glad you are being reasonable. What is the Arvay book? Did you think I'd made reference to it?
Looks like I've got to get into the Stone Roses then! Ian Brown has pulled out of a festival because he will not be part of anything where vaccine passports are a condition of entry.
Now that is admirable.
Many thanks, as ever, to Bernie, and also to Anders and every other unselfish soul who helps bring these treats our way.
"One thing I can say with complete certainty is that it is a bad idea to trust the majority of experts in any domain in which both complexity and large amounts of money are involved."
Scott Adams
I totally understand people only want to see posts here about their favourite band. Had I not read what Bent said, I would not have posted. The fact that Bent did say it makes the discussion on-topic, as far as I am concerned.
Incidentally, I posted quite regularly (almost always in praise of this great band) from when I joined the forum until a year ago, when I stopped for reasons that I needn't go into. I continued to read and appreciate contributions. I hope the gap doesn't mean I shouldn't have posted again.
Before posting, i did expect the hostility, but it still saddens me.
By the way, anybody readng the William Cooper quote that begins, "The arrogant man.." who thinks it means I am having a go at them or at someone here for being arrogant, please read it again, because that was not the intention. I think there is great wisdom in this quote. The point is to encourage an open mind, and a scepticism where experts are concerned. If you have humility, you will see that it speaks to all of us.
@Punj Lizard: Quite right.
For the record, I am not a fan of Trump or the alt-right – far from it.
Also for the record, I have never been an anti-vaxxer. However, I have come across good reason to fear the possible long-term consequences of taking these vaccines, which are so much more different from all that has gone before than people seem to realise. Should I just ignore that, when it comes from so many highly qualified doctors and scientists who have nothing to gain and everything to lose?
Am I whining about my opinion? Well, not really, because I'm not even sure what I think. I am still trying to figure out what is going on.
I am wondering why there have been no flu deaths this year.
I am wondering why the total number of all-cause deaths is not significantly higher than in previous years.
I am wondering why the average age of 'COVID-19" deaths in my country is higher than the average life expectancy.
I am wondering why autopsies have been banned.
I am wondering why the requirement has been reduced to just one doctor, who has not necessarily even seen the patient but who can put COVID-19 on the death certificate – "with COVID-19" adds to the grim total of supposed COVID-19 deaths. (See the case of Daily Mail writer Bel Mooney's father, and all the people who wrote in saying 'me too'.)
I am wondering why such faith has been put in a test, when the inventor of the test himself said it should never be used for diagnosis, since, with a sufficient number of amplifications, you can find anything in anybody.
I am wondering why economies around the world have been trashed.
I simply ask people to open their eyes and at least consider that the official narrative might be suspect in a number of ways.
As far as vaccine oassports go, surely it isn't difficult to see where that leads?
"The arrogant man does not need to see. He already sees almost everything, and what he thinks he has yet to learn he believes the experts will one day show him. And who are these experts? They’re not really doctors of the soul, ladies and gentlemen. They do not have the man’s interest at heart. They are in fact his worst enemies; his most cunning manipulators who lead him to do their bidding like any slave master since Egypt."
William Cooper
The thing is, David, it is relevant, because Bent has said something, published on this thread, to which I am responding. It is also to do with future MP gigs, and therefore relevant.
Bent's words, and, presumably, the actions that will follow, have a real-world effect on me, on you and on our loved ones.
I repeat, I am incredibly disappointed.
Thanks, ThorEgil for the tip. However, you might not be happy to see the links I want to post. I just ask you, if I do post them, to look with an open mind.
I completely accept that all the highly qualified doctors and scientists to whose work I want to refer could be wrong. I could be wrong in paying them any attention.
Could anyone else on this thread be wrong?
