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"(Why 90% of the audience don't wear masks is beyond me. I still don't feel comfortable in these crowds and that makes it hard to really get into it.)"
Then stay home.
"Which shows that for those who support this, it's, at the latest now, not about protection anymore – if it ever was anyway. It's about exclusion against those that are not obedient."
Yep, that's the point. It has nothing to do with health or saving people or anything like that. It's just about spreading fear and unfortunately too many people believe the hype.
The minds have gotten into oversecure, nothing-can-ever-happen lifestyle. All is there all the time. And then there comes a virus and throws them out of their save lives. Surely supported by ongoing, repeatedly looped fear making by mainstream media and politics.
There isn't any intelligence of "vaxxers" because most of them (like you) aren't arguing at all (sorry for my so overly dumb generalisation!). I know I am a stupid pseudo-intelligent arsehole.
The arrogance you put yourself over the so-called "anti-vaxxers" is incredible, only provoking and has nothing YOU would like from a discussion: argumentive and meaningful.
The only thing you are able to do is bashing people down that have other opinion than you. How you are so damn sure YOU are not the troll?
Argue with me. Are you scared? I am ready. Bring up your arguments for a vaccination against a virus like Covid. If not, don't feed me as a reader of this board with generalisation of people.
Surely it has something to do with fighting for freedom if I not go vaccinate. I want the right to freely decide.
I don't see the reason because I don't see the danger in the virus.
I don't want to get tested in the state of a total healthy constitution.
Concerning the covid-regulatios I think they are overblown and partly nonsense. So I ask why I am I forced to do so and argue it.
Main factor: Economic and social problems that come with these regulations. And because I see some of them useless it is important to discuss that and go against it. Because it's just making more problems than helping people.
"I mean wtf is the problem with just shutting up, wearing a mask, wash and disinfect hands and keeping distance? That's all there is to it. If everyone did it (or had done it), we'd be way better off already now. Problem is, doing so makes one just one little human amongst the many billion others. And unimportant. Some can't deal with that."
Because first of all people are not made to be distanced and wear masks. How many examples can be found that these methods are performed technically incorrect? In a hospital, where ffp2 masks make sense, they should be changed after two hours. I would have never taken off my mask in an isolated patient room with the patient having influenza only because I stay 1,5 meters away. Because no one can tell you this is 100% safe. So keep my mask on. If these methods are 100% correct, all my collegues and me would have behaved incorrect the last decades… And there can be found so many more contradictions out there in everyday life only.
How long you wanna keep distance and wear a mask? You believe this will kill covid to zero? So we can have a normal life with a packed Motorpsycho concert in a small club? Is that really your hope?
And the much more important factor: They are shutting down economy! They are shutting down bands who wanna meet up to make music. Shutting down concerts, art, restaurants, hotels, travel,social fucking life. I just cannot get you are loosely saying just wear masks people. WTF.
@Johnny Heartfield
Sorry, but it is absolutely no fact if the vaccine against covid is effective or not. Absolutely non. Like zero. There is mutations of the virus (that is a fact and a basic medical knowledge since centuries) and nobody knows if this vaccine will protect you against the covid virus. No study, no survey, no investigation can proof to this point. Nobody knows how the virus will evolve. Only the future will tell. At this point in time everything is testing and speculating but nobody does really know anything. We are collecting information and sorting out but nothing more.
Vaccines against polio, measles, mumps, rubella etc… yes. There is longtime evidence. We know exactly what it does.
And this is my personal view: Covid is an infection of the respiratory tract. Just like RS-Virus or Influenza. There has never been (and in my opinion will never be) a vaccine against this kind infection that will totally cease a virus of this kind. I'm not a doctor or virologist but a lifelong hospital staff and just like it's the case with Influenza: You will have to re-vaccine every year and the virus will still be there, just with less people infected. And if this is the case, I wrote my concerns in the other post.
About economical losses: I'm a regular Thailand visitor. The total breakdown of tourist income in only that country you don't call a loss? I know people from there, everything is shut down, since months. There is no social system rescueing these people. They live in poverty and now in even more poverty.
And the job losses in Europe? Incapable politics? What should they do? If they shut down everything. This is the system. They can't do anything but let people work again because this is how the system works. If they don't go to work there is no money generated. It's a free enterprise community which is only rolling when people go to work. And of course the people who do the hardest jobs get sparsely financel help and the big players get stuffed with money. But no surprise.
The fear about the virus is pumped up way too much than how dangerous the virus really is. If you don't knew numbers and no one would talk about it you wouldn't care at all.
And this made up fear plays in the hand of pharma companies just like suntripper wrote.
I just think this should be taken in consideration about our future. And yes, @suntripper, the trust in our immune system. It's strong, it's there to protect us against viruses, not masks and vaccines in the first place. There is no 100% safety in life, you can die of cancer, influenza, smoking, covid, car driving etc… That's life.
There is two statments in this discussion that I could read repeatedly, as well as these ideas are often heard in the public:
The believe in vaccination and the fear of the virus.
So millions of people get vaccinated these days. What do you do if this vaccine doesn't help you or does only help you like the vaccination against influenza helps? Which would mean, mostly due to mutations of the virus: There is still a not so small remaining risk of getting infected by the virus and you have to vaccine again with every infection wave.
What you want to do then? You wanna stay seperated and wear masks until eternity?
And you are 100% sure that the fear of this virus isn't coming from the fact that just the whole world is talking about it day by day since over a year? It is horrible to see how much fear is made by governments and the media about this virus.
Millions of people loose their jobs, there is existential threat, I can't walk downtown open-air without wearing a mask. Open-air!
As a healthy person why you believe in vaccines and masks more than your own immun system? You were born with a mask or an immune system?
I mean if this vaccination is salvation and would have absolutely no side-effects, go get it.
But I strongly doubt this vaccination does end anything. Still infection waves, and then? Close up economy and seperate people with every wave again and again? Governments around the world started these lockdowns. You think they will change their minds then? If so they'd be regarded as unreliable. I doubt they would change their course.
@ThorEgil, the problem is much more extensive then just vaccine all people and then go back to normal life. Where you have that info from?
And that comparison:
No. of Covid-19 cases: 117.754.621 – No. of deaths: 2.612.289
No. of vaccines: 181.161.945 – No. of confirmed deaths from vaccines: 0
So now because of these number I should go and vaccince. What logic contains that?
I may be wrong but I think there's some autotune on e.g. Dreams Of Fancy. Still I really dig this song and Bents voice on it.
Wow, so these days bands have to play 3 sets and still can't sell the same amount of tickets they would sell on one evening.
What an incredible lift-off in Ouroboros. Out of the guitar solo when Snah takes over that melody. Close eyes and float away into the void. Into the mystic. Whereever but surely out of this world.
Yup, I kinda can understand the reviewers opinion. Ok, I generally don't listen to lots of rock at the moment (but still playing in a rock band once a week). Being fascinated by other genres these days. Anyways I'm gonna buy the album as a longtime fan and the gig I went to last year was such a blast. And The All Is One in its entirety will be good, I know already.
But The Same Old Rock I've only listened once since they put it online. Set the hook "not bad but it's not a surprise".
@WearingYrSmell89: Unfortunately I do not, neither did I record anything during the concert.
