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"Geht die Scheiße jetzt wieder los?!"
Yes. A lot of people (the same like 12 months before?) who have nothing to say, leaving their shit here.
Quote:Hopefully the upcoming shows remain 2+Which shows that for those who support this, it's, at the latest now, not about protection anymore – if it ever was anyway. It's about exclusion against those that are not obedient.
Which again shows what intolerant, immature and cowardly persons such individuals like boomer and supernaut are.
Quote:@TOMCAT I was hoping for you to say that…I love it when you say "Geht die Scheiße jetzt wieder los?!" My dream is to hear you say it in person…hopefully that will happen someday x bernieHaha, it was chien d'espace who posted it before me but it spoke for so many …
I am sure I will do that for you one day, promised Bernie
@ all the shitstorm-troopers like Tomcat, Boomer, Mark and Bernie (You can work with two or more cameras, why can´t you think with both halfs of your brain?)
– Please have a look at Punj Lizard, he has maybe a similar opinion as you, but what he says is friendly and intelligent. (even when he is not right anytime)
@ Suntripper. First I thought, your links were too harsh, but than I thought twice. Pictures like this are perfekt, to show some blind boostered psychnauts, what they can not, or will not see. Truth is: Millions of innocent and healthy people have to bear mental or physically violence since more than half a year, and it doesn´t seem to stop.
Freedom is also the freedom of people who think otherwise. So if all we know about the virus and the vaccines at the moment, anybody say, he wants shows in 2g+ and likes to exclude other psychonauts, that is, (sorry, I really can not find a better word) facism.
If you want to comment? + brain next time, please.
"Which shows that for those who support this, it's, at the latest now, not about protection anymore – if it ever was anyway. It's about exclusion against those that are not obedient."
Yep, that's the point. It has nothing to do with health or saving people or anything like that. It's just about spreading fear and unfortunately too many people believe the hype.
The minds have gotten into oversecure, nothing-can-ever-happen lifestyle. All is there all the time. And then there comes a virus and throws them out of their save lives. Surely supported by ongoing, repeatedly looped fear making by mainstream media and politics.
@Thomas – There is no bitterness, my friend. One day I hope – even expect – that we – that is the (more than) 99% – will all be on the same side. The problem is that if this doesn’t happen before the s*%t really hits the fan then it will be too late.
@the conscience – Maybe it does seem harsh. I take no pleasure in it, but you can see the point.
@Punj Lizard – Everything from here onwards is addressed to you. I echo the words of the conscience: you obviously have strong feelings that are quite contrary to the concerns I am highlighting, but thank you for remaining civil, although that ought not to be worthy of note. I am really saddened to read some of the posts here.
Of course, I never expected that Bent would make some sort of response. Yes, a year has passed, but the issue of vaccine passports and freedom in general has only become more crucial and relevant in the meantime. Quite a lot of people have changed their perspective too during that period. Can we be sure this has not been the case with Bent? I say again that I think he would be in a tricky position if he did see things differently. He has to earn a crust by getting out and playing. He Has mouths to feed. It’s really, really difficult for a lot of people and that can be a powerful driver in not looking more closely but rather in trusting ‘the narrative’.
I am sure you must realise that every protest movement attracts its share of morons, agents provocateurs and other troublemakers. You know that the press will always home in on and exaggerate these elements. Don’t you imagine this has happened in Canada? I don’t doubt there will be a few swastika-waving psychos there. Nor do I doubt some of these will not be what they seem. You probably know of the penetration (I use the word advisedly) of the green movement by undercover cops using dead children’s birth certificates, having relationships with women and fathering their children. How many similar cases will never come to light? I don’t want to digress too much, but I wish to illustrate that things are rarely as they are portrayed.
Certainly, I expect the trucker protest is right-wing heavy, although that is rather different from saying that they are all rabid extremists. However, if your friends’ accounts are to be believed, then maybe that is the case. I can’t say for sure from this distance. Nevertheless, whatever the make-up of the protesters is – or whatever you think it is – what should be of most concern are the measures being meted out by Trudeau. This ought deeply to trouble everybody who believes in freedom and democracy. You should be asking, what the hell is going on?
Anyway, why is it that more people on the right than on the left (if we must always reduce everything to the left/right paradigm) are expressing concern at what is going on? In my perhaps feeble mind, if anything, it ought to be the other way around. Mercifully, a growing number of prominent people on the left (and left-leaning people in my circle) are seeing the same picture, but the fact that so many left-wingers have been duped by precisely those who ought to be their sworn enemies may end up being the defining tragedy of these times, because what Klaus Schwab and his friends have in store will make current corporate exploitation look like a picnic. Who wants to feel that they have been duped? Nobody. So, there is a strong resistance to removing the wool that’s been pulled over the eyes. That’s very human, of course.
The Great Reset narrative being driven by Klaus Schwab, the WEF and all the rest (including dear, old Prince Charles) is no conspiracy theory. It is all out there. We have to take these people at their word. They mean business. To return to Canada, Schwab has spoken with pride at his infiltration of over half the cabinet there. These are his actual words:
Quote:“And I have to say, when I mention our names like Angela Merkel, even Vladimir Putin and so on, they all have been Young Global Leaders of the World Economic Forum. But what we are very proud of now is the young generation like Prime Minister Trudeau, President of Argentina and so on, is that we penetrate the cabinets. So yesterday I was at a reception for Prime Minister Trudeau and I know that half of this cabinet or even more than half of this cabinet are actually Young Global Leaders of the World Economic Forum.â€His Young Global Leaders such as Trudeau, Merkel, Blair, Sarkozy, Macron and Ardern are everywhere. This is Globalism and it’s not going to be good for you or me, for people of the left or of the right. I repeat: this is not conspiracy theory. Here is one place to go for leads:
https://ratical.org/PandemicParallaxView/KlausSchwabPenetrateCabinets.html
The WEF aims to destroy national economies and indeed nations. And yes, you did spot Putin among the names Schwab cited. Imagine all that will flow from the invasion – such as it appears to be – of The Ukraine: the sanctions, the inflation, etc. Is Putin’s move more than simply a Russian concern, but rather a deliberate step towards the global chaos out of which the WEF (and those who move even more deeply behind the scenes) wish to bring their version of order? And we have the long shadow China casts over this and everything else – China, where the model for what the WEF and friends want to roll out has been incubating.
A jackboot stomping on the human face forever? It’s coming into view everywhere.
So, tell me, do these look like “far-right agitators†with “unsavoury ideologies�
I apologize for my unreflected angry saying yesterday. I'm just so sad that you use the forum of our favorite band for this discussion amd lost my mind about it. I think there are other places to discuss this topic.
"In anger man loses his intelligence" Dalai Lama (i forgot that for a moment)
Thanks Boomer, for your last words. That is a good beginning to reach hands again (or build bridges). I want to apologize too, because of my provocation. (but sometimes, I feel, that I have no other choice.)
What all psychonauts connect is our love to our favourite band. And we all know: Motorpsycho live are the best Motorpsycho. Music shall connect, not divide.
Me, for example, I am older than you, much longer a fan. And I thought deep (and lived) about a decade more, what freedom is. What do you think, how it feels, to read, when other psychonauts (maybe real friends) write, that long-time psychonauts should have to stay in lockdown, while the “obedient†people (a word you used in your now deleted post) have fun and enjoy the live-shows of our all-time favourite band?
I still believe, that this forum and this thread is the right place to talk about, and it´s necessary because, like I said before, present time is because what artists and fans decided one year ago. We should not forget this. And you can´t deny it: Bent´s interview was the starting-point.
So please let us discuss, until we are not longer divided. Let us psychonauts set a good example for the rest of the world. And let us try again to discuss in a more friendly, more polite, more constructive way, albeit the topic is still very complicated.
Nice and reflected move, @boomer!
It is hard to react in an appropiate way when the allegation of facism is made.
I understand the feelings for being excluded from live shows because of the regulations. I am vacinated but I am strictly against any law that forces people to get the vaccine.
What I don't understand is how you dare to make the band responsible for that. However they may see things now, they will have to follow the rules to play live. Their opinion is not as relevant as it may have seemed.
So please don't refer to this qoute from the past and make it responsible for your situation.
@ Thomas „What I don´t understand is how you dare to make the band responsible for thatâ€.
It isn´t that easy. It isn´t only black and white. Of cause, Bent is not responsible for the virus, not for the pandemic, not for the restrictions, not for all problems in the world. But his words about vaccine-passports are responsible for more than 250 posts in this thread. So this is the only right place for further pandemic-discussions. Where else? During a Motorpsycho-Show, directly in your ear?! Or with the not 2g+ (outside waiting) people before and after a show? Do you really want to exclude psychonauts from this forum? Is it not enough to exclude them from half of their real life should be? This is the only place where ALL psychonauts can share their thoughts or leave different types of emotions.
In my opinion, this thread is necessary as a documentation. So we all can look back and see, what can happen, if people make the right or the wrong decisions. (if not every angry comment will be deleted soon)
Similar like suntripper and some others, I am little afraid, what can happen in the future (and the current pandemic is only the beginning, only a small part of a much bigger thing). I don´t know, if we are right, and everything or something becomes reality. But it is very important, to be widely informed in times like this, to come as close as possible to the truth. (With the exception of suntripper, not many psychonauts seem to be. Please, proof me wrong!)
We all are responsible for all we are doing, and all we are not doing. (We all, not only Bent)
the conscience:
Quote:let us discuss, until we are not longer divided. […] And let us try again to discuss in a more friendly, more polite, more constructive wayThese are good intentions, and I also agree with most of your statements (and suntripper's too). But your approach will never work with those who hold an entrenched, solidified ideological mindset. Much more, they consider your approach as a sign of weakness that needs to be exploited. There is only one way to deal with such individuals: Brute force.
One must never underestimate the consequences of human behavior such as convenience, herd instinct, the desire to belong (to a majority), the fear of social exclusion. Anyone who did not understand it by the time before the pandemic has noticed within the last two years finally how anti-democratic, domineering and authoritarian the left – contrary to their expressed principles – is behaving. However, that's not surprising. Because this class, which sets the tone in the media, the cultural sector, in NGO's, schools and universities, has much more in common with its supposed antithesis, fascism, than is often assumed.
Fascism and socialism were linked in their formation like siamese twins. They hate each other so fiercely because they are so alike. Their common enemy is liberalism.
Socialists, leftists in general, are masters of distortion. When the "democratic people's republics" invoked "anti-fascism" in the last century, they did not mean free elections. But the fight against the free West and its democracy. A current example of the mendacity* in dealing with the term democracy is a white paper titled "China: Democracy That Works", recently released by China's State Council Information Office.
* Next to the term democracy, no term is misused as insidiously as liberalism.
It's very disappointing how uniform, adjusted, submissive the cultural scene, and as part of it the (rock) music scene, has assimilated to the left-wing, predominant Zeitgeist. Just imagine the avant-garde of the 1960s and 1970s had campaigned for the Vietnam war, for a decent, healthy, austere and hard-working life – in total conformation to the authorities and the ruling class back then… But this kind of adaptation, this cowardice is exactly what we have been experiencing for three decades now.
Yes, they still have long, unwashed hair, they wear their uniform such as jeans, leather boots and a leather jacket – wooow! Johnny Hallyday blessed sends greetings from beyond! But anyone of those who thinks they are avant-garde, part of a counterculture can only be pitied.
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