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Bent started as a drummer, as far as I know. Personally I prefer bass players who began on trumpet, but that's alright
The release seems to be alright. I've got no problem with that, especially after downloading the excellent DIME-version of this gig.
Next time better check to sell only 2-3 copies to each buyer with such a limited number of albums available.
Were they ever that young? Who's the thin guy playing guitar btw???
Thanks once again for your work, Bernie!
Yep, it is always a drag seeing these youngsters on stage – even if their beards are greyer than mine (don't wear any…).
Of course vinyl is something special. And some artists tolerate/support irregular/semi-official "bootleg" releases. Julian Cope even sold versions of an "unofficial" Italian release on his website. But that's something different…
Anyway – the "value" of this product lies more or less in the vinyl edition. As long as they're not mass distributed and there are free available sources of this gig this might be o.k. – if it is with the Band still isn't clear for me.
Let us throw our money together and buy/hire a pressing plant! We could co-finance (non-commercially, fans only) a vast edition of otherwise freely available, good sounding, exclusive and limited Motorpsycho records with much better artwork. Of course this would have to be ok'd by the band – but as long as we don't make money (just self-supporting co-operative sharing) and probably deliver some samples of each album to Trondheim, this probably shouldn't be a problem.
Anyway – much this would be much better than these dubious releases…
To me that looks like a bootleg rip-off. Audience recording, later remixed/remastered and sold as "limited edition exclusively in the USA".
I'd rather stick to the excellent audience recording of that gig from DIME – probably the same source. Keep it free, keep it non-commercial – don't rip off bands and tapers!
These are all sign of imminent Motorpsychedelic withdrawal.
Your only protection is DIME.
If you are less than ten miles from Trondheim remain in the shelter of your city and use your ears.
Remember: you can substitute MP with no-one else.
Do not panic!
Excellent concert – really Majestic Crucible, I support that view. Sadly Ãœberpilgrim missing, but we already have the great and complete DIME recording from that show. In fact I'll consider the recording(s) from DIME almost as good soundwise. The DLF recording offers clear vocals, a great sounding, powerful bass, but Snah's guitar is sometimes lost down in the mix. An ideal mix would offer both elements: clarity, power and yet full warmth and guitar presence. I tried to achieve that by mixing the two sources together yesterday, and the results are quite satisfying.
@ Blashyrkh: Do not panic!
In case of no Sonic Attack on your district remember these rules:
There will still be time enough for a full MP tour in autumn
Do not waste time seeking a nonexisting replacement for Motorpsycho
Try to get as close to the sonic source as possible
Do not panic!
You will notice small objects, such as ornaments, oscillating
You will notice vibrations in your diaphragm
You will hear a distant hissing in your ears
You will feel dizzy
You will feel the need to vomit
There will be bleeding from orifices
There will be an ache in the pelvic region
You may be subject to fits of hysterical shouting
Or even laughter
When Motorpsycho's back in town this year!
"Without the will to hold out – and learn from – oppositional views, you'll miss the chance to get the moments where you realize that the world is far too complex and manifold to beat it down in bitter, anger-driven phrases like you do it partly here."
Right you are, Norman_Gold! Learn from yourself
Besides – I share your view that conservatism is not necessarily a negative force – as "progressive thinking" is not necessarlily good.
Besides – this to everybody: I don't think catch-word like "corporatism" etc. are helpful in this discussion. Neither is general elite-bashing or state-bashing – these do only show the preoccupations of those who do and kill any sensible discussion. I'd like to think freely – not within fixed "belief patterns".
I already have enough people around me who start barking like Pavlov's dog when they hear the names Clinton, Obama or Trump, Blair or Johnson. As for that: there's an excellent analysis of that kind of political poisoning in Doris Lessing's great SF novel "The sentimental agents in the Volyen empire". Worth a read anytime!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sentimental_Agents_in_the_Volyen_Empire
And I'll have a beer with everyone who doesn't constantly spit out his ideological brand of hatred – whatever opinion he or she may be.
A great debate indeed – boring probably for many, but enlivening the few of us.
Just a little reply to Norman's bashing of "corporatism":
Internationalism is not (neccesarily) a "left-ideological agenda". Firstly the extreme right today is cooperating intensively on an international level – there is a lot of international exchange of ideas, personal and international activism.
Secondly: Probably thinking on a larger scale is just a sign of human evolution / development of the human mind/spirit? The problem being then that the much critizised "corporatists" of the so-called moderate left have too long ignored the need to integrate, fincance and educate the impoverished or threatened by deindustrializiation and economic change.
That does not mean at the same time that the old and new tribal-orientated nationalists are right. Their politics are mostly backward-orientated and sometimes even purely antisocial. Add infantile strife for absolute power and bad school bully manners and you get Trump and Johnson.
On the other hand there is indeed much lazy thinking and ideological narrow-mindedness on the left.
Nevertheless I'm convinced the Utopian view is part of the human condition and cannot be entirely neglected, how infantile or unrealistic it may sometimes appear. There is no evolution without our weaknesses and shortcomings! So let's forget the equally unrealistic politics of ultra-strength and "survival of the fittest" – that is not how the world works best.
And let us have a couple of beers
@ Norman_Gold & everyone citing this:
1) Free competition in a capitalistic economic environment plus 2) a developed, extensive democracy plus 3) an independent constitutional state – that's the successful combination to lead a society into peace, wealth, happiness.
Seems plausible, but it doesn't work this way any more.
What is missing is a basic social standard guaranteed – without that and with all the disruptive effects the digital media has on people's minds even a developed democracy with independent constitutional elements can be overthrown or at least damaged. Trump is proving this right now.
The problem is that given the extreme and increasing gap between a few extremely rich and a great number of poverished people (or people afraid to lose their social standing) – add decreasing education due to lack of finance and effects of digital media – there will always be a large number of people ready to be led astray by unscrupulous "leaders" who claim to be "on their side". Take Trump – a priviledged guy from the beginning – or Johnson, an upper class descendent whose foolish mannerisms make him appear "common guy".
Democratic institutions and constitutions are only as strong as the people who accept them. Take Poland, take Hungary, take the first stirrings of fascism in England and the USA.
As for capitalism and "free enterprise": without regulations it will distroy itself. The disruptive effects of unrestricted, neo-liberal economy eat up everything: education, social standards, culture, personal sanity and the already heavily damaged ecosystems.
I'm not proposing any kind of totalitarian socialism or ecological dictatorship, but a reckoning of social and ecological effects through a regulative system. This may be the only chance to keep capitalism working – a restrained force within, not a destroyer, a killer on the loose.
As for Chomsky: I share your mistrust of this guy. Like so many of the radical left he tends to ignore the crimes of his totalitarian brothers in faith, be it in Cambodia, China or the former Soviet Union.
Quote:They criticize capitalism, the democratic system, the society, money and wealth as such, the concept of nation states… Ironically, most of them are the ones to benefit most from the circumstances they bash. Our word for this attitude: Geistige Wohlstandsverwahrlosung. Mental neglect due to wealth.I must admit there is some US bashing by political idiots here in Germany who rather prefer to lick Putin's ass. But there is also a lot of criticism of US Government and a lack of understanding of more special aspects of the US American way of life that does not necessarily reject democracy or capitalism as a whole. Nevertheless our understanding of democracy is often slightly different and we criticise aspects in the US that to us seem undemocratic. On the other hand many of our social achievements (social security, unemployment and health insurance, tax system) appear quite socialist to many Americans and they are very supprised when they learn that not a communist government but the Kaiser's right hand and Reichskanzler Bismarck introduced them.
Criticism of the excesses of capitalism has been a part of our Western European culture for centuries – as well as the view that capitalism has developped over the centuries and will change again – without disappearing totally, but the way it is these days is not set in stone forever. For me and several of my friends who have been to the US a permanent life there is unimaginable. At the same time these people mostly stress the very open and kind nature of most of the people they met – apart from the natural beauty of the counry, whis is out of question. So the critical view of US and US lifestyle here is quite differentiated and not always as plump and aggresively anti-American as you mentioned.
The fact that America is still a favourite goal for the poor and uneducated (and scientists and artists who rather enjoy the radical, if unsocial freedom of the US)does not mean the US of A is the best, most democratic and most enjoyable place on the world to live in – as an American you may have that feeling – good for you, but I certainly don't think so. Despite its weeknesses and shortcomings Europe, that is the EU, is still the place to be for me and will hopefully remain so. Especially if you count the number of Motorpsycho Concerts over the years in Norway, Holland, Germany or Italy compared to those in the US
