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Motortrades is a mailing list. The mailing list provider is Yahoo Groups. Yahoo Groups hosts a homepage for each mailing list that contains the entire message archive. Members can also administrate their memberships and settings at the homepage. Other than that the mailing list homepage does not offer any valuable functionality. Basically the mailing list homepage is only worthwile for the message archive, if one is interested in that. All other functions like subscribing, unsubscribing or switching to digest can also be administrated by e-mail (instructions for this can be found at the bottom of each mail distributed by the list). In order to log into the mailing list homepage one needs a Yahoo account (I think, it's been some time, really). So if you are receiving the group messages and don't care for the message archive you basically don't need to bother about the Yahoo Groups homepage.
Motortrades was founded in 2001 because the discussion and trading of live recordings on g35 — back then still the main discussion forum for psychnauts — grew to such a volume that the non-trading members of g35 complained about it. Another reason to move the trading discussion to a more private forum with restricted membership was that the band felt uncomfortable with amateur live recordings being spread effectively and widely to many hundreds of fans. In the fall of 2000 a CD-R-tree was run on g35 which distributed a five disc tour compilation of the "Let them eat cake"-tour to almost 100 psychonauts across europe. During the process an engaged group of collectors and traders formed and eventually the trading discussion was moved to Motortrades. The first years of the mailing list up to 2004 were very fruitful because CD-R burners became a common and affordable technology which made trading live recordings very easy and accessible. It was also the height of Motorpsycho's popularity so there was a huge interest in live recordings. Entire tours (2001 and 2002) were recorded and distributed to the members of Motortrades. A great deal of older recordings was also unearthed and circulated. With the advent of affordable broadband internet access combined with the introduction of the bittorrent technology in the middle of the '00-years the trading world changed radically: It was no longer necessary to find trading partners in mailing lists with whom you would swap physical CD-Rs. Every live recording ever made and then some could be downloaded from torrent sites like Trader's Den, Sharing the Groove, Etree or Dime-A-Dozen, the latter which is still going strong and which is THE resource to get unofficial live recordings. Other trading communities however became pointless when artists decided to release entire tours as well as large chunks from their live-legacy officially. Our community, Motortrades, was of course also affected by the change in the trading culture so the e-mail traffic decreased and people just downloaded the latest show from a torrent tracker. That is why nowadays Motortrades hosts a private torrent tracker dedicated to Motorpsycho live recordings. Access to this tracker is only granted to members of the mailing list and every member receives the info how to be invited to the tracker upon subscribing to the list.
With almost 200 members Motortrades still assembles many long time and hardcore tapers, traders and collectors. However, some important individuals have dropped out of game because you can't just travel to every show the band plays and tape it for so many years. Which means that despite the improvement of technology (regarding both recording equipment and distribution channels) less Motorpsycho shows are being recorded than 200-2003. Until the band actually decides to release complete concerts and tours this is something we will have to work on.
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What exactly sucks about Murcia? Enjoy the show(s)! I would love to be there, particularly in Bilboa and Madrid…
Nice! Mr. Hands, can I use that pic for inclusion in http://motorgigs.org/2011 ? Thanks!
29.03.2011
Fifteen years ago on this day "The Nerve Tattoo" EP (Psychobabble 04) was released! Arguably their greatest "pop" number this EP also contained off-center cuts like the first released Geb-oddity „Of beacons and beams“ or the Deathprod solo track „Pale day“, but also an acoustic rendition of "The wheel" and the cult track "Mad sun". The first CD edition housed in a digi-pack eventually became a sought-after rarity.
Yes, but I didn't count the gigs after spring 2010 because RWIV had already been compiled then. Bent mentioned RWIV the first time in an interview in October 2010…
The biggest mystery is where "All is loneliness" was recorded. I remember the Haarlem 2009 version being very jammed out but when checking the recording it was only 9 minutes. Anyone who can remember seeing a close to 20 minute "All is loneliness" in concert?
That opens the gates for some guessing which versions they included. Of course of biggest interest are the two jams "Bomb-proof" and "Loneliness".
For example they played "Bomb-proof" 15 times of which 7 versions were taped. All recorded versions up to the epic Leipzig version clocked in between 9 and 12 minutes. Leipzig however clocks in 20:24 minutes, which means if they chose this version the track must include some stage banter and / or crowd noise. Unfortunately we don't know what happened in the shows they played this at before and after Leipzig.
Here is a breakdown of shows where the songs on RWIV were played (impossible to compile without Jürgen's work!):
The Bomb-Proof Roll & Beyond 21:04
Tromsø, Driv 29.04.10
Alta, City Scene 30.04.10
Bergen, Teglverket 14.05.10
Amsterdam, Paradiso 22.05.10
Eindhoven, Effenaar 23.05.10
Berlin, Astra 25.05.10
Bremen, Schlachthof 26.05.10
Groningen, Vera 27.05.10
Köln, Gloria 28.05.10
Heidelberg, Halle 02 29.05.10
Brussels, Ancienne Belgique 30.05.10
Wien, Arena 01.06.10
Roma, Circolo Degli Artisti 03.06.10
Leipzig, Conne Island 07.06.10
Aalborg, Studenterhuset 10.06.10
All Is Loneliness 18:45
Frankfurt, Mousonturm 13.10.08
Bielefeld, Forum 14.10.08
Dresden, Beatpol 15.10.08
Leuven, Het Depot 18.10.08
Rotterdam, Watt 20.10.08
Trondheim, Rosendal Kino 19.12.08 (late show)
Luxembourg, Den Atelier 21.04.09
Tilburg, 0 13 “Roadburnâ€Â-Festival 23.04.09
Drammen, “Working Class Heroâ€Â-Festival 06.06.09
Tønsberg, Slottsfjellfestivalen 16.07.09
Nordfjordeid, “Malakoff†Rockfestival 25.07.09
Oslo, Rockefeller 14.10.09
Stavanger, Folken 16.10.09
Stockholm, Debaser 29.10.09
Berlin, Lido 01.11.09
Haarlem, Het Patronaat 05.11.09
Brussels, Botanique 07.11.09
Bologna, Estragon 11.11.09c
København, Loppen 16.11.09
Tromsø, Driv 29.04.10
Amsterdam, Paradiso 22.05.10
Wien, Arena 01.06.10
Roma, Circolo Degli Artisti 03.06.10
Sardinia, “Duna Jamâ€Â-Festival 05.06.10
Wishing Well 7:27
Winterthur, Salzhaus 10.11.09
Bologna, Estragon 11.11.09
Milano, Trezzo Sull’adda live club 12.11.09
Treviso (Roncade), New Age 13.11.09
Deventer, Burgerweeshuis 15.11.09
København, Loppen 16.11.09
Trondheim, Verkstedhallen 18.11.09
Alta, City Scene 30.04.10
Landslide 9:00
Berlin, Postbahnhof 17.05.08
Frankfurt, Mousonturm 13.10.08
Bielefeld, Forum 14.10.08
Dresden, Beatpol 15.10.08
Leuven, Het Depot 18.10.08
Nijmegen, Doornroosje 19.10.08
Amsterdam, Paradiso 21.10.08
Trondheim, Rosendal Kino 19.12.08 (late show)
Kill Devil Hills 10:09
The Alchemyst 13:31
(assuming they chose a version where these two were performed together as it was common in more than half of the times they played these tunes)
Tromsø, Driv 23.04.08
Bergen, USF Verftet 28.04.08
Kristiansand, Kick 29.04.08
Berlin, Postbahnhof 17.05.08
Köln, Live Music Hall 18.05.08
Firenze, Viper 22.05.08
Antwerp, Hof Ter Lo 27.05.08
Bremen, Schlachthof 30.05.0
Ã…s, Samfunnet 04.10.08
Tønsberg, Slottsfjellfestivalen 16.07.09
Nordfjordeid, “Malakoff†Rockfestival 25.07.09
Trondheim, “Pstereoâ€Â-Festival 21.08.09
Hamar, Hydranten 13.10.09
Oslo, Rockefeller 14.10.09
Bergen, Verftet 17.10.09
Stockholm, Debaser 29.10.09
Hamburg, Uebel & Gefährlich 03.11.09
Köln, Gebäude 9 06.11.09
Winterthur, Salzhaus 10.11.09
It's highly unlikely there will be a EU-tour in May. The German booker has confirmed that there will be NO German dates before the summer festivals. I don't think they would tour without playing in Germany…
That is great!
Updated:
13.04.2011 – Bilbao, Azkena (ES)
14.04.2011 – Barcelona, Rocksound (ES)
15.04.2011 – Murcia, 12 & Medio (ES)
16.04.2011 – Madrid, El Sol (ES) + Moongardening Inc.
03.05.2011 – Helsinki, Tavastia Club (FIN)
25.06.2011 – Steinkjerfestivalen, Steinkjer (NOR)
09.07.2011 – Kongsberg Jazzfestival, Kongsberg (NOR) + PRIMUS
14.07.2011 – Burg Herzberg Festival, Breitenbach (GER)
15.07.2011 – Sonnenrot Festival, Eching bei München (GER)
19./20.08.2011 – Parkenfestivalen, Bodø (NOR)
02./03.09.2011 – Verket Music Festival, Mo i Rana (NOR)
Any more thoughts on the show? A sold out home-town concert featuring a great setlist and two encores should certainly generate more comments…?!
