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Thanks a lot, Terje and Bernie! In a time without regular MP concerts this means even more to us Psychonauts!
Listening to fearsatan's recording – thank you very very very much! – for the first time I had the impression that the KoO songs don't work live – no comparison to the other older and newer material. Rather boring. Almost another band. Probably a wrong impression because lack of live atmosphere / not being there in person. And probably inferior on a very high level – due to comparison with the stellar material alongside – LLM, Nylang & Halflang, N.O.X. suite. The Lurker might stand out – but sadly the sound is rather distorted in the first place.
Still I feel rather strengthened in my sceptical impression of KoO. I'm very grateful MP are back on a Motorpsychedelic course with both ny songs – really live jewels!
I promised to end this discussion here. Being personally attacked and insulted by one member here I have long wrestled with myself if it is clever to respond. It probably is not – but I feel challenged to make one last statement.
I do not think it is necessary to stop all political issues and debates in this forum. People have justified concerns over matters that define our lives in general and as psychonauts in special. We many have very different opinions – but not discussing them is not a solution. But when the point has arrived that some members use this forum to spit out their hateful aggression instead of arguing the time has come to stop.
Obviously I have provoked a lot of dissent with my sometimes very pointed posts. This is o.k. for me. I am not the "glass chin" Norman_Gold has called me. I have called a party movement scum because that's exactly what people are who attack others – not just verbally – because of their culture, colour of skin, language, national background and so on. If Norman_Gold feels personally attacked by this – so be it. You speak for yourself. But stop spreading your poison here, Norman! No more hate – there's enough of that in today's world. This is not the place for your bile and your hateful propaganda.
Just stop it! No more…
@ Boomer: You're absolutely right. I always think I'm so clever and can explain anything – and then I always march into the next troll trap. No more feeding them – I promise…
@ Valderrama: Lots of interesting questions. Too many for me to answer now – I've had my shot above
.Just a few minor points:
Face masks – sheer pragmatism. Beards get in the way, wenn you cover mouth with cloth. No-one's yet found a solution for that. Same with long hair and plates of soup – they tend to correspond, when you lower your head
Scepticism (with vaccines and any other topic): basically a good idea. There's always a ? after any ! (parable of the hunchback and the soldier as told by RA Wilson in "Masks of the Illuminati"). Just keep on doubting the absolute skeptics as well.
Darwin: very problematic, easily misunderstood. Dangerous road to Social Darwinism (not an invention of Darwin's, btw.). There's more than sheer "survival of the fittest" to humankind. Just that makes us human.
Jeez – I'm tired of spreading absolute wisdom for all of you. Enough for today. Think for yourselves, but consider the help of others. No man is an island – we rely on each other, linked in complex constructions of ideas, relationships and institutions. All of these constantly changing. Amen. Om. Whatever…
@ suntripper: Fear of the absolute state, media manipulation and restrictions of freedom I consider principally sound, but I suspect they're turning into something else just now. I discover the same paranoid mindset in rabid vaccine sceptics, anti-corona-measure propagandists, Trumpists, right-wing conspiracists and populists. The issues may differ, but the overall structure appears similar to me.
Talk of "evil" mainstream media or institutions, that alledgedly "suppress" vital "truths" that we only have to "awake" to – or "come around" to. The messianic urge to constantly attack "sleepers", "dreamers", "sheep", i.e. non- or not so paranoid people. The inability to cope with other attidudes and opinions. Constantly merging facts and opinion. Rabid anti-scientific propaganda.
I could go on forever. My diagnosis: collective madness. A formerly "reasonable" society on the edge. Reasonable trust in "common" truths being destroyed – among others by ongoing capitalist conspiracies against common values, brutal egoism and constant struggle for self-enrichment and self-promotion in a neoliberal society. This has been building up since the 1980s at least, but is now being reflected in the mindsets of so-called "free thinkers" and "rebels". Who are in turn just puppets or at least being strategically exploited by shameless rulers – "Psychotzars" of the political and economic world ruthlessly destroying any regulations or remaining balances of power in their way. Considering this we're really fucked.
Instead of constantly bashing "mainstream media" you should for instance consider the real scandal going on just now in the UK – a populist leader and a once shining institution like the BBC under permanent political and financial attack close to collapse. Yes – the BBC has given its enemies lots of ammunition by its own faults, mistakes and scandals over the years. Yet still it is an institution that has the potential to stand in the way of sheer populism and ruthless government, that gives space for reflection and free expression. When we have smashed all our bedevilled institutions we shall only then realize that they were all that protected us from tyranny and collective madness. What some call "mainstream censorship" I call reflective thinking instead of impulsive action. Editors are essential!
The problem is that todays narcissistic egos want instant gratification. No more delays, no more reflection, no more considering opposite views – just cry out your urges here and now and smash everything in your way. "Four legs good! Two legs bad!" shout the sheep in Orwell's "Animal Farm" parable – thus being led on the path towards tyranny and oppression. "Mainstream bad! Alternative media good!"
From a psychoanalytical point of view you project onto your opponents just what you don't like and refuse to recognize in yourself. So who's the sheep now?
(this has turned into a polemic against the common or typical conspiracist, not a real person. No personal attacks on anyone here intended. Just think about it – I will consider your positions as well.)
Sorry I let myself go. Generally I would like to keep politics out of this forum – obviously I fail there quite a bit
. Fact is I cannot let stand some "opinions" regarding social developments that I consider as foolish or even malevolent stupidity. Let's discuss music here – there are as many opions as there are contributers, and that's good. As for political or social tendencies – everyone's entitled to their opinion, but if some people do constantly push their foolish views (my opinion), constantly nudging, never ready to let things go I consider this quite agressive and react likewise. Sorry folks…
@ the conscience: I may publish my verdicts on MP music quite prematurely sometimes and change my view next day, but considering politics and society I think I have an attitude that's basically quite firm, built up over the years including a long and sometimes painful learning process. Therefore I find it quite disrespectful if some people – here in this forum and in "real" life – push their views with a religious stance, calling other people to "wake up" in spite of at least reflecting their own positions sometimes. Strangely I think it is just those caught in their own mythologies and dream worlds that want all the others to "wake up". I could write books on that topic, but certainly not here.
Those freedoms were hard won, that's true – by the people who sticked to the – sometimes harsh, sometimes quite illogical, but still necessary – rules, by the people who inventend and produced the vaccines in very short time, by the medical staff that worked 24 hrs a day to save people and to prevent others getting sick. And by those who willingly undertook the risk to get vaccined with rather unknown medication. Those just protesting and refusing did nothing for the freedom they claim to defend.
As for Brexit: sadly only a small number of people understood that the whole Brexit campaign was an effort by a rich minority to free themselves from EU regulations – a class struggle against the poor that deluded the nostalgic, the old, the jobless and the economically depraved to vote against their interest, led by a populist and sometimes fascist, xenophobic political mob – UKIP scum and worse.
What might be of interest: RW II consists of live material recorded at Kongsberg Jazz Festival 1995 already – a joint gig by Motorpsycho, Deathprod and free jazz band The Source
I have to adjust my harsh verdict on "Gullible" from above – just heard it once again – first time in years. this one has lots of great moments, entire passages that are absolutely great. It just doesn't all come together in the overall composition imho. Probably I only remember the Heidelberg concert from 2010 when they closed with Gullible, me already being rather tired and overwhelmed by what came before and a little annoyed by the long drawn-out end passage that I always considered not the best part of the song. Much too long for a fadeout, but with a fadeout feeling surely.
@ Ratmaus: Yes, I know! Just have to convince myself occasionally that I'm still able to get up from my knees when I talk about Motorpsycho
This time definitely song.
For me the "Lurker" is rather lukewarm compositionwise. Just like "Gullible's Travails" ten years ago. Neither fish nor flesh. Good riffs, but not strong enough to carry the whole thing. Or just the other way round – the composers didn't entirely trust the riffs and added lots of chords that rather lead nowhere. Just my personal impression.
@ Tomcat: Just keep the new songs motorpsychedelic. That is exactly what I missed in KoO: for me it is neither really motor nor psycho enough("weird" in Bent's own explanation), though not a bad one all in all.
Probably Kenneth K. is therefore practising them live a bit more? Got the impression his playing is much more cymbal orientated. Am I wrong? Or is Thomas just disguising his cymbal skills with his massive powerful drumming? His cymbal line-up is definitely impressive!
Motorpsycho has surely been lucky with their drummers…
