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"Kings of Oblivion" – I almost missed that connection! That's why the title of MP's new album sounded so familiar…
Contrary to Pink Fairies, who were a great live band, Motorpsycho have been able to keep the standards high on their album releases. This will hopefully continue with the new one – I'm looking forward to next friday!
This could give opportunity for an interesting study: psychonautic behaviour awaiting a new MP release these days. Typical phenomena: minimizing expectance to avoid disappointment, signs of small enthusiasm at first listen, hope for improvement…
Happended to me with the last release – single (SOR) and album alike. These days I'm digging both a lot.
Anyway I might agree that the latter day releases show certain signs of more controlled approaches to recording and mixing that might encourage a certain feeling of overproduction and sterility. But still you couldn't complain of a lack of adventurous spirit with Motorpsycho up to now.
Sounds like Jon Anderson imitating Ozzy or vice versa, with ZZ Top playing "Children of the Grave". Very Yes-Sabbathish…
One of these first listening impressions that grow increasingly irrelevant after some time
The sociopaths take over. didldidldildadam dadei – I'll just shut my mouth, keep dreaming golden dreams…
Probably TIDAL does not only offer better sound but also pays the artists decently instead of just saving the big record companies and letting most of the artists starve, like Spotify does? (Wishful thinking, I know…)
My last reply on the matter:
Yes, I know the difference of the new mRNA Vaccines. No foreseeable problem there, they work (as tested in large studies with tens of thousands of people involved). A friend of mine who has already been vaccined is looking daily for growing tentacles – in vain. They are supposed not to alter the DNA cell code anyway, just deliver a short-term information to produce antigens before they dissolve. A very clever invention imho. Ironically some problems seem to arise with the more traditional vaccines (in very small numbers though).
As for mutations – of course there is some kind of competitive race between vaccines and the virusses, so we must adapt our stuff from time to time. Nothing is 100 per cent safe or efficient. 70 per cent is already quite a lot.
Long term problems may always arise – with any medicine or vaccine. We just don't know. What we know is that without vaccine we will not overcome CoViD easysily – and only with much more losses. Anything else is just blown-up insecurity and fear. Yes – I will probably have a strange feeling myself when getting the stuff, but these are emotions – the voice of reason says different.
And yes – our immune system is extremely important, and we should do everything to strengthen it. This is however a long-term effort and will probably not get us there in time. On the other hand the best immune system might not manage with some heavy attacks – without vaccination quite a few of you might not be here today, because your ancestors died of the pocks. Just relying on your immune system alone is – in extreme situations like that – like singing OMMMM to restart your broken down car (this sometimes works, but not regularly).
The Nietzschean argument that the strong survive implies "let the weak and feeble die" and is therefore quite perverse. And yes – we must take risks, yet it is not a sheer gamble, but a bet on rather extensive studies and experiences made in the last few years. The chances are good (that this vaccine will respond to you, as FZ might say…)
And denying the dangers of the virus is just stupid (sorry, folks). There have been enough deaths, heavy long-term cases and other casualties around, albeit probably not in your direct circle, because there are so many of us. We must somehow rely on the information we get – and the regular media is much more suited for that than the usual paranoia and rumour bubbles in the web, even if they have their faults too. If you start relying on the latter alone you might as well go back to the stone-age cave.
This sounds harsh, but without proven information (chequed by institutions more or less trustworthy) we are blind. This sounds naive, but rather that than entirely dumb or completely disorientated.
And a last point: Lots of scientists join the paranoia express as well out of competition matters or craving for importance and acknowledgement. Not every scientist is an expert on every matter. And even some specialists go astray. The scientific community has to discuss, argue und hopefully find out a relative truth. This is the regular process – we should therefore not take every comment as the final statement and firmly proven counter-truth.
At the same time most of us (myself included) do not have half the learning and training it takes to take part in these discussions with hopes for a sensible result. We're not medical specialists. Digging out every contradictory specialized opinion does not make sense except furthering our doubts and fears. (I think that's what Kid A pointed out above).
This is not merely an opinion, but based on common sense and experience – and while I acknowledge the need for doubts and understandable worries I cannot accept some of the arguments that I have heard here and elsewhere much too often. I fear this matter has become some sort of religious belief system for too many – and you can't argue with religion.
Despite metaphorically bashing some of you guys over the head several times I want to congratulate all of you for the way we lead this discussion – even if some of the points seem quite irrational to me or mine to others we have managed to behave in a human and friendly way as befits fellow psychonauts. And thanx four your patience with those awfully long forum entries. Peace and Love!
(And I should've read Punj Lizard's long entry a little more thoroughly, this would've saved me repeating several of his insights without having his detailed firsthand information
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@ TheOneFormerlyKnownAsDaniel
There is not only "belief" in vaccination, but lots of research and learning involved in producing and testing the vaccines. No denying that. There is strong evidence that vaccination helps avoid heavy illness and spreading CoViD-infection. This has been proven almost to absolute fact level.
What is not yet known is the possibility of long term damages through vaccination – according to theory and evidence – millions of cases (people vaccined) – this is quite unlikely.
Still – you don't know with absolute saftey that you won't catch the virus or any side effects of vaccination. It is a bet – though quite safe, grounded on reliable experience.
The great numbers of job losses, kids not being able to go to school, economic damages etc. are mostly due to incapable politics and inadequate measures (which again are the result of our incapability of social discipline or even grasping the situation). There are hardly any losses of that kind in East Asia (at least much less than in Europe or North America). So it is our mixture of freedom loving and stubborn idiocy that creates damage, not the adequate fight against the virus itself.
The producing of fear is another side effect of the urgency of the virus problem – not the other way around. Sensible governments try to avoid panic – yet the (obviouly necessary) repeated appeals to saftey measures and the need of vaccination create just that. But you can't laugh away the virus – as you can't meditate it away, at least if you've not reached graduate enlightenment status. Trying to witch or wish problems away is just naive.
Therefore we cannot wait until we have 100% clarity that vaccination is salvation without any side-effects. We have to take bold risks and cannot hide in our little holes until the sky is clear again. My suggestion is definite: get vaccinated – voluntarily and socially responsible, bold and free!
I will try not to heat this debate even more. Just a word to "things in the making" – mentioned above by various posters.
There are always conspiracies around – petty ones and global ones, mostly businessmen from the communal grocer to the global company CEO trying to grab a bigger piece of the common cake. There have always been political and/or power groups that have tried to control others. But most of these conspiracies have failed. They're not the problem.
Sometimes it is just developments that all of us – voluntarily or unvoluntarily – push that cause what we, always in need of a culprit and an easy explanation, call conspiracy. Sometimes the "things in the making" are making themselves as part of long-term developments in our societies and cultures. I will not even try to touch any esoteric theories of influencing global developments here – it is just the way that we live, work, make your money, consume that allows other people to built up power (administrative control, business control, media manipulation).
We have probably not built that system ourselves, but we are born into it, are part of it and contribute to its developments, if we like it or not. Capitalism leads to manipulation of truth via advertising, to mind control via consumerism, to violence, war and totalitarism via projection of fears and suppression of suffering. And yet it has created a global environment that allows us the maximum of freedom, human rights and well-being – while at the same time causing us to destroy the planet we live on.
No wonder all of us have problems to come to grips with that, mistrust institutions and detect evil possibilities in the smallest phenomena. And still we are feeding the destruction machines – the "real" ones and above all the communication channels of "social" media with all of its antisocial outcome, help to turn the wheel faster and faster…
Those with an instinctive feeling that something is wrong elect leaders that turn out even worse – any effort at reaching salvation is being doomed from the start.
It is probably us that are in the making – undergoing painful changes that may or may not make us wiser in the end. Which certainly does not go without suffering.
We live in the Egg
We have covered the inside wall of the shell with dirty drawings
and the christian names of our enemies
We are being hatched
http://www.songlyrics.com/hawkwind/in-the-egg-lyrics/
Amen!
@ suntripper:
That's what I meant – It depends what you do with the tools you have – ID, Vaccine etc.
As for Daevid Allen – met him once in Glastonbury High Street in 1992. Sadly he was in no good shape and had to cancel the Magick Brothers gig at the Festival. But I went to a Gilli Smyth performance at the King Arthur the year after, which was great. Daevid Allen – another one to be sadly missed.
Haha! ID Cards – the invention of the devil! I just wonder why we're still alive and free in Germany, having had ID Cards for decades and even digital ones for quite a while, at the same time being the country that spearheads data owners rights in the EU and worldwide. As long as you don't inject them they're rather harmless. A good example how public paranoia can turn a minor calamity (with dangerous potentiality though) into the downfall of the free world. Same with vaccination and vaccination passes. It is important how you handle that matter – the thing itself is not evil per se.
As for the left-right pantomime: it's really happening – on the extreme fringes. Alt-left and alt-right sometimes share similar totalitarian ideas. What with the crossing over of oppositions that the I Ging has been talking about for thousands of years?
However I'd like to put in a word for politicians – they're not all the same (even if old Lemmy said so), and some undergo the task of getting their hands dirty in everyday political business without actually selling out. Putting them all in the same box doesn't help at all. That's just radical talk – immaculate innocence doesn't exist – nowhere. To quote another dead hero of mine, and a capricorn too: "Well it's easy to be an idealist, cause you don't have to do it right now…" (Daevid Allen – Negotiate).
@ suntripper: please stop treating other people's views as a kind of illness – Bent doesn't have to "come around", and neither does anyone else with diverging opinions. Though I'm sometimes tempted to think along the same lines
@ Punj Lizard: Don't worry – we'll get an excellent Motorpsycho version of "Watcher" – featuring "God" of course
@ Punj Lizard: Depends on which "watcher" they base their version on. Lots of possibilities:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXqWnvlMd_I (classic HW version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TKE0PUzro8&ab_channel=indigoinsf4 (Sam Gopal's "You're Alone Now")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jFC1IdShdo&ab_channel=Mot%C3%B6rheadBander
(Motörhead's latest "watcher" transmutation)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZExd4uYeCQ (blues version with "god")
Probably the best song for MP to pay tribute to Lemmy (after serenading his "Motörhead Mama"
). Lyrics that perfectly express the spirit of the times:We are looking in on you now
What do you think you can do now?
You're very small from way out here
The last thing you will feel is fear
Give you a chance to do the right thing
Give you a chance to do the bright thing
Now our sense is all disgusted
We have found you can't be trusted
Where I come from, no-one smiles
Every inch exists in miles
Still it's cool, relaxed and calm
Sitting here on the funny farm
World in prison screams in pain
There are no leaders you can blame
Human greed destroys your sphere
And there's no room for you out here
You're on your own now
You're on your own now
You're on your own now
You're on your own now
