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@ TheOneFormerlyKnownAsDaniel
There is not only "belief" in vaccination, but lots of research and learning involved in producing and testing the vaccines. No denying that. There is strong evidence that vaccination helps avoid heavy illness and spreading CoViD-infection. This has been proven almost to absolute fact level.
What is not yet known is the possibility of long term damages through vaccination – according to theory and evidence – millions of cases (people vaccined) – this is quite unlikely.
Still – you don't know with absolute saftey that you won't catch the virus or any side effects of vaccination. It is a bet – though quite safe, grounded on reliable experience.
The great numbers of job losses, kids not being able to go to school, economic damages etc. are mostly due to incapable politics and inadequate measures (which again are the result of our incapability of social discipline or even grasping the situation). There are hardly any losses of that kind in East Asia (at least much less than in Europe or North America). So it is our mixture of freedom loving and stubborn idiocy that creates damage, not the adequate fight against the virus itself.
The producing of fear is another side effect of the urgency of the virus problem – not the other way around. Sensible governments try to avoid panic – yet the (obviouly necessary) repeated appeals to saftey measures and the need of vaccination create just that. But you can't laugh away the virus – as you can't meditate it away, at least if you've not reached graduate enlightenment status. Trying to witch or wish problems away is just naive.
Therefore we cannot wait until we have 100% clarity that vaccination is salvation without any side-effects. We have to take bold risks and cannot hide in our little holes until the sky is clear again. My suggestion is definite: get vaccinated – voluntarily and socially responsible, bold and free!
I will try not to heat this debate even more. Just a word to "things in the making" – mentioned above by various posters.
There are always conspiracies around – petty ones and global ones, mostly businessmen from the communal grocer to the global company CEO trying to grab a bigger piece of the common cake. There have always been political and/or power groups that have tried to control others. But most of these conspiracies have failed. They're not the problem.
Sometimes it is just developments that all of us – voluntarily or unvoluntarily – push that cause what we, always in need of a culprit and an easy explanation, call conspiracy. Sometimes the "things in the making" are making themselves as part of long-term developments in our societies and cultures. I will not even try to touch any esoteric theories of influencing global developments here – it is just the way that we live, work, make your money, consume that allows other people to built up power (administrative control, business control, media manipulation).
We have probably not built that system ourselves, but we are born into it, are part of it and contribute to its developments, if we like it or not. Capitalism leads to manipulation of truth via advertising, to mind control via consumerism, to violence, war and totalitarism via projection of fears and suppression of suffering. And yet it has created a global environment that allows us the maximum of freedom, human rights and well-being – while at the same time causing us to destroy the planet we live on.
No wonder all of us have problems to come to grips with that, mistrust institutions and detect evil possibilities in the smallest phenomena. And still we are feeding the destruction machines – the "real" ones and above all the communication channels of "social" media with all of its antisocial outcome, help to turn the wheel faster and faster…
Those with an instinctive feeling that something is wrong elect leaders that turn out even worse – any effort at reaching salvation is being doomed from the start.
It is probably us that are in the making – undergoing painful changes that may or may not make us wiser in the end. Which certainly does not go without suffering.
We live in the Egg
We have covered the inside wall of the shell with dirty drawings
and the christian names of our enemies
We are being hatched
http://www.songlyrics.com/hawkwind/in-the-egg-lyrics/
Amen!
@ suntripper:
That's what I meant – It depends what you do with the tools you have – ID, Vaccine etc.
As for Daevid Allen – met him once in Glastonbury High Street in 1992. Sadly he was in no good shape and had to cancel the Magick Brothers gig at the Festival. But I went to a Gilli Smyth performance at the King Arthur the year after, which was great. Daevid Allen – another one to be sadly missed.
Haha! ID Cards – the invention of the devil! I just wonder why we're still alive and free in Germany, having had ID Cards for decades and even digital ones for quite a while, at the same time being the country that spearheads data owners rights in the EU and worldwide. As long as you don't inject them they're rather harmless. A good example how public paranoia can turn a minor calamity (with dangerous potentiality though) into the downfall of the free world. Same with vaccination and vaccination passes. It is important how you handle that matter – the thing itself is not evil per se.
As for the left-right pantomime: it's really happening – on the extreme fringes. Alt-left and alt-right sometimes share similar totalitarian ideas. What with the crossing over of oppositions that the I Ging has been talking about for thousands of years?
However I'd like to put in a word for politicians – they're not all the same (even if old Lemmy said so), and some undergo the task of getting their hands dirty in everyday political business without actually selling out. Putting them all in the same box doesn't help at all. That's just radical talk – immaculate innocence doesn't exist – nowhere. To quote another dead hero of mine, and a capricorn too: "Well it's easy to be an idealist, cause you don't have to do it right now…" (Daevid Allen – Negotiate).
@ suntripper: please stop treating other people's views as a kind of illness – Bent doesn't have to "come around", and neither does anyone else with diverging opinions. Though I'm sometimes tempted to think along the same lines
@ Punj Lizard: Don't worry – we'll get an excellent Motorpsycho version of "Watcher" – featuring "God" of course
@ Punj Lizard: Depends on which "watcher" they base their version on. Lots of possibilities:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXqWnvlMd_I (classic HW version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TKE0PUzro8&ab_channel=indigoinsf4 (Sam Gopal's "You're Alone Now")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jFC1IdShdo&ab_channel=Mot%C3%B6rheadBander
(Motörhead's latest "watcher" transmutation)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZExd4uYeCQ (blues version with "god")
Probably the best song for MP to pay tribute to Lemmy (after serenading his "Motörhead Mama"
). Lyrics that perfectly express the spirit of the times:We are looking in on you now
What do you think you can do now?
You're very small from way out here
The last thing you will feel is fear
Give you a chance to do the right thing
Give you a chance to do the bright thing
Now our sense is all disgusted
We have found you can't be trusted
Where I come from, no-one smiles
Every inch exists in miles
Still it's cool, relaxed and calm
Sitting here on the funny farm
World in prison screams in pain
There are no leaders you can blame
Human greed destroys your sphere
And there's no room for you out here
You're on your own now
You're on your own now
You're on your own now
You're on your own now
@the conscience: You got a point there – digital interfaces sometimes seem to eat up humour. Happens to me all the time
. Let's hope for better times and enjoy the albums meanwhile…
@ devotional: you call Bent's comments obnoxious? In my opinion it was just adequate to the situation of musicians who urgently wait to be allowed to gig again. Where's the problem with that?
You don't have to share his view anyway – just give him his right of opinion as you claim for yourself!
Ok – "needle junkies" with "dead brains" need a shot of humour? Strong stuff…
I just wonder – why you so 100 per cent sure of your position? No doubts, no reflexion – do you call that humour? Strange how some people project their mindset on others
But you're right – a little more lightness and humour would help in these matters. So let's have a laugh together at the next MP gig!
Wow – new sandbox and still almost clean – I'm happy to leave my crap here immediately
I only fear the shitty stuff has already exhausted itself in the other thread, where it obviously didn't belong.
No Motorpsycho gigs for those not vaccined – or at least for those insulting conscientous people as "needleheads" – I will support that immediately! Sounds harsh – but those denying the impact of the pandemic deserve no better.
Ha! Now without too many emotions: If vaccination is a condition for allowing bands to play again, I fully support Bent's position. Better to play for a selected, vaccinated audience then not to play at all.
As for the various positions regarding vaccination mentioned:
Sure – we don't know too much about long term effects of the vaccines available – how could we? Scientifically speaking there is hardly any reason why those should arise, but you knever know. What we do know in the meantime is that there are quite some long term effects of Covid desease – it's not just a "flu" for some, but leaves them in bad condition for a long time after. Long Covid effects should not be belittled.
Those ominous two per cent often mentioned do refer to the number of fatalities among those suffering from Covid desease – not the number of the whole population. Still – every casualty is one too much. Sure – people die for various reasons anyway, but this is not an excuse to let the pandemic take its course without necessary measures. If you let it run wild many more people will catch it and so more people will die or suffer long term effects. And as people are psychologically not capable of observing caution measures for an unlimited time it seems vaccination is really the only way out, if you want your freedoms back again.
So come on you sissys and overcome your needle fear!
Maybe Bent's got the chance to demonstrate his liking of Roy Harper on this one – after the title reference on TAIO (TSOR). Just wishful thinking…
From the cover I presume it's going to be less heady stuff – more in the psychedelic freak folk direction, with mushy sound and mushroom head keyboard swirls all over the place and spidery guitar solos with lots of ant- or beetle-like notes creeping underneath
Heads off to Motorpsycho! Btw: More Is More! With MP anyway!
Thanks for recommending the Seliger book – looks very interesting.
The privilege thing is not relevant these days – it could only become once there is enough vaccine for all and there's a substantial number of people unwilling undergo vaccination. As there are good reasons for refusing vaccination (planned pregnancy resp. parenthood), I now consider privileges a problematic item. Nevertheless, they will occur inevitably – private companies (airlines, concert agencies etc.) might want to check your vaccination status beforehand. As long as these are private enterprises there's not much you can do against this.
