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@TheOneFormerlyKnownAsDaniel – I agree it does not suit rock
@Phoots Flower – I completely get the point about naturalness live
I think Bent and Snah are committed to being authentic too – and that's a big part of why we love them. That is why I say some kind of pitch correction should only be used selectively, and not on the more 'rock' material. Something is needed, however, on a less-rock-more-prog epic like The Crucible, if a masterwork with brilliant musicianship is not to be rendered unlistenable in parts.
Now, could I ask anyone interested in this topic, please, to listen to these two versions of The Crucible, with the vocals in mind, and give their explanation for why one has vocals that sound pretty much in tune (perhaps with technical assistance – I know there could be other reasons) and one has vocals that, for me, are really getting in the way of my enjoyment to the extent that I am clenching everything waiting for the instrumental parts?
Is anyone else hearing what I am hearing?
Another Fools' Gold. Sound captured pretty well – light show too – and this clip gives a really good impression of a gig – one you wish could have gone to…
I should probably mention – so as not to stir up too much hope in the viewer – the clip doesn't make it to the end – not much of the beautiful outro – which is little short of a tragedy. Never mind. Incidentally, it struck me that Tomas' playing here is exactly right. Some of the fills from about 11 minutes 40 in are perfect.
In case anyone missed these:
A lovely serving of Starhammer! Washed down with Walking on the Water and Black to Comm.
+ 5 others from the same poster – same guy who posted clips from Brescia. In case you ever come this way, Antonio Bagalà , thanks. Good man. We appreciate it.
@dongonz @JERO – See my comments on Motorpsycho autotuning their vocals?? thread.
I've resurrected this topic in the light of comments made by dongonz and JERO regarding Leipzig Conne Island 16.10.2019 – comments with which I have sympathy.
I don't have technical knowledge in this area. We all know autotune/autopitch was used on Roadworks 4, after the fact (and people have their views on that). What I am not clear on is the extent to which this sort of thing can be used live 'in the moment'. I understand that this is possible. I note speculation that this was done at the Rune Grammofon anniversary show (and that sounded pretty good to these ears). It seems to me like it has been done at other shows too.
There is certainly a difference in the accuracy of the vocals' pitching comparing some shows to others. There are possible explanations to do with the room's acoustics and the performer's condition on the night.
Bear with me – I am getting to the point.
Looking on YouTube at some recent performances in particular, I think this is something we shouldn't be pretending isn't an issue. I feel like I'm being kind of sacrilegious here. I love this band so much – the material, the performances, and, sometimes, the singing. I really want to spread the word to others. So many people are missing out on a band I know they would really get into in a big way, as we all have. The trouble is: out-of-tune vocals make it a really hard sell. Some people just aren't going to get past that and hear all the great stuff. As a result, far inferior bands, but with better (as in more in tune) singers get all the attention.
I totally understand that it's not all about being in tune. Of course you want sincerity, authenticity and passion – and Bent and Snah deliver that in spades. The likes of Nick Cave wouldn't get by if it was only about singing nicely. Nick Cave doing autotune? Well, I think that would be out of the question.
But, but, but… with our guys? I think there is a case for it – selectively.
Here's where I hope they might get to, having flirted with this stuff. When doing a weighty number with a lot of harmonising like The Crucible, switch it on. When doing something ballsy like You Lied, switch it off.
Can that be done? Surely it is possible.
Otherwise, particularly in the case of some of the more recent prog-inclined epics, all that effort and all that talent put into those pieces is going a little bit to waste when interested newcomers are hearing those YouTube live clips, and feeling that they can't get past the dissonance.
I don't know whether practical or financial reasons might prevent the adoption of this policy at every show, but I really believe it would be for the better. Purists who call this cheating might be another obstacle, but those who dislike the prospect just need to get their heads around the idea that it's OK for a voice to be treated; after all, it's legitimate for everything else in the mix to be treated. Personally, if it could be only on some songs – the right ones – I am definitely in favour.
@otherdemon – Thank you for responding so promptly and explaining the situation. I am sorry to hear of another enterprise struggling to earn enough. Where are we going to be when they're all gone? Mmm… living under tha Amazonarchy?
@ThorEgil – Many thanks for the reassurance. That's a relief.
@otherdemon РAny chance you could give a brief pr̩cis in English? You've got me concerned about my hard-earned.
@JERO – I am looking at mine now and it is orange and speckled. Should I be concerned, do you think?
@ThorEgil – He has indeed been most helpful in separating me from my money. Who needs that stuff lying around the place anyway?!
Hey everybody! Check out Reine Fiske's Function!
@ThorEgil – Thanks for the pointer. I think I previously found that getting one to the UK was problematic, but I've now been inspired to e-mail the publisher on the subject.
At last! One that I won't miss out on!
Feeling a bit neglected in the UK as this tour proceeds. I can't get to the mainland because of caring responsibilities, so no chance of picking up goodies like these at gigs.
Very pleased the shop has stocked this one.
Now, how about the Demon Box Live blu-ray and album?
Nice of someone to put this up. Not bad quality, but be warned – background chatter during sublime moments. (Why do these people bother going?!) Five more tracks from same poster.
