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@ TheOne FormerlyKnownAsDaniel
"Believe" has both effects on the vocals. For me the vocoder was always the more prominent one – but the song became famous for its autotune. So I think we both have a point
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/recording-cher-believe
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Mark: "It all began with a Korg VC10, which is a very rare, very groovy-looking analogue vocoder from the '70s, with a built-in synth, a little keyboard and a microphone stuck on top", he enthuses. "You must mention this, because SOS readers will love it — and I know, because I've been reading the mag for years!"
@ T.O.F.K.A.D.: Wasn't that a vocoder effect on Cher's "Believe"? Well – Neil Young had that used in a rather clumsy, but creative way back in 1982… Cher introduced a whole new thing though – the smooth machine sound – then still clearly recognizable as a technical manipulation, but these days wasting almost all the slimy musical trash most kids are listening today. I wonder if some of them have ever heard a recorded vocal without that kind of industrial musical straightjacket. But there you go – music is an industry more or less these days, and so you get industrially finetuned stuff, in most cases cheaply produced to satisfy dumb consumers – without inspiration, style or love for music. As long as the latter are still dominant – and with Motorpsycho they clearly are – I don't see a problem there with any effect creatively used.
I don't have a problem with MP autotuning their vocals. In the studio the whole process of mixing and balancing, let alone the huge number of possible audio effects is some kind of manipulation, which could either be regarded as cheating or as a special art form. Like most critics I tend to support the second view.
Live MP deliver rather complex musical structures – both instrumental and vocal-supported, that would extremely challenge any four- or morepiece band. In order to be able to concentrate on spontanity and improvisation I find it quite legitimate to use any help to avoid having to concentrate mainly on the vocals, even more so as the vocal delivery does not constitute the dominant element of MP music.
So autotuning vocals might even be the basis of MP playing free and adventurously. Let the vocals eat cake and hammer the instrumental stars for free!
Give 'em a little break, will ya? Four 2 1/2 hour shows in a row is quite something. In the end you get tired, and when you get tired you sometimes get very speedy or even hectic (paradox, but true). Probably one explanation for yesterday's almost supersonic speed riffing in Cologne. One more show tonight and they'd probably dissolve – Psychedelic Motors Disappear In Smoke!
@Punj: I was there, probably not very far from you in the crowd in the middle of the pit, but didn't spot you either. Was probably a bit stunned after a 4 hour tour through the Cologne record stores with a very talkative friend
. Went directly from the last shop to the gig which gave me the rest – full blast in the pit downstairs, 10 meters direct blow from Bent's bass speaker. The sound must have been very good upstairs near the bar, that is behind mixing desk. Downstairs very loud and a little muddy for me, but that's maybe just my ears, worn down after years of MP concerts
Nothing to add to your praise of the gig – August jam was stellar, Snah reminding me of Ritchie Blackmore at the height of his powers.Hopefully there's a recording – would like to listen to the show once again in rather calm sourroundings.
Probable Pratchett prank (haha – ppp means something else to us, doesn't it?), so let's call it Assumed Pratchett Connection
The Light Fantastic is Pratchett's second novel in the Discworld series – btw.: isn't MP's next disc to be called "The World"? – ok, ok, back to topic: Together with its predecessor this book is rather not the one masterfully structured plot but a sometimes hectic combination of adventures that do both follow and satirize traditional fantasy adventure tales, introducing a few major and several minor characters that would play roles in the seemingly endless evolution of the Discworld series. Substitute fantasy with Rock'n'Roll and Pratchett with Motorpsycho and you will see the title is obviously quite fitting for this new collection.
Seems I have totally misunderstood the original post – as so often.
Whatever you mean brother: we love you! Hopefully marc is wrong as well…
WTF???
Another victim of a kundalini yoga cult? I hope, it's a love cult!
Free yourself from any religious bonds – even if they be Motorpsychedelic ones!
I must admit I nourished similar notions from time to time – not for any religion, cult, master, therapist or god, but for my own well-being and fearing to be trapped in an endless Motorpsychedelic loophole. But as long as the Norse heroes keep changing and I keep changing I'll keep on going! And if personal development and Motorpsychedelic path connect – all the better!
I respect your decision, brother – even if I don't share it!
@ Punj Lizard: Come on – I once did a project presentation right after the Football World Championship Finals in 2002 – after Germany lost 2:0 against Brazil. Lots of people in the audience – about 5 or 6, and probably all due to Freejazz Legend Peter Kowaldt, who played for us un stage
Yep, could do with this ending in Cologne too, that is Hogwash onwards and closing with a drawn-out tower, even better Fool's Gold included.
For the rest of the gig I would prefer acoustic versions of the songs given the nature of the venue in Cologne. Wonder what a 30-min. acoustic Crucible would sound like…
@ supernaut: wishful thinking! And not everybody's wishes by the way – as is the nature of wishful thinking anyway…
It's the Crucible Tour pt.2 at last – so expect several Crucible & Tower tunes or rather musical stretches. Probably lots of improvisational diversions from the studio stuff. I could do with some new material from the album they're just about to record – but what then would they play next year
Best thing with Motorpsycho (and everything anyway): Don't expect anything at all and get positively surprised! (Or: Go to Neverland!)
Indeed: https://www.discogs.com/Kim-Hiorth%C3%B8y-Ringnes-2004-The-Album/master/947874
Ah – just dialogue. This is the real stuff:
https://www.discogs.com/Various-Ringnes-2003/release/3197109
